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So many people clueless as to how EULAs work ITT.

Here's a summary:
1. If you do something dodgy to gain an unfair advantage, its almost certainly against the EULA and you may get banned if caught;
2. If you do something reasonable that is TECHNICALLY against the EULA but doesnt harm Eve or qualify as "cheating" in any meaningful sense, you wont get banned and they wont be trying to catch you.

This is the only important distinction, not whether e.g. Cache scraping is "technically" against the EULA or not. Will you get banned for using a publicly distributed and otherwise legitimate helper program that cache scrapes? The answer is clearly no. Its not in CCPs interest to start stealthily banning such people. They have announced clearly that its not allowed (and its likely, they have also quietly contacted the developers of those aps and asked them to stop including it as functionality) but its unlikely they will be taking any action against otherwise innocent/clueless players.

So stop getting your panties into a bunch over whether X is "technically" against the EULA and ask yourself "is this bad for Eve? Is it cheating? Is it unfair or broken? Does it evade an ingame limitation DELIBERATELY put there by CCP? ". If the answer to any of those is yes, then stop doing it. If not, then chill the **** out.

There are parallels in real life, I guess. Certain interstate highways in the United States have posted speed limits, high and low (e.g. Speed Limit 55, Minimum 40). Traffic police won't enforce it against all drivers under normal circumstances, though, but will use a rule of thumb based on the ordinary flow of traffic - IE: if there's a traffic jam and everyone's reduced to 5 miles an hour, technically everyone's breaking the minimum speed limit, but it's impractical to sanction everyone caught in the traffic jam. So the cops use their discretion; they'll ticket someone going 15 in the passing lane during normal traffic, or 90 when the flow is going 65, but they'll focus on the dangerous ones and the outliers.

It's a bit worrisome that CCP is stating that they're simply going to use their discretion to overlook the violations caused by the EVEmon market scraper, rather than providing an EULA-compliant alternative and allowing worried people to get back within the bounds of the agreement, but that's the way it works in the real world as well, I suppose...

Use some common sense FFS.

I absolutely understand your frustration. This was not intended as a threat in any way.

Please, consider the fact that cache scraping can be used for illegitimate purposes which are damaging to the overall health of the game, such as for example market bots. The policy is in place to protect the game and our players ability to enjoy the game.

A blanket yes or no is not possible in this case. With our statement of intent, I sincerely hope that our legitimate players don't worry about catching the ban hammer for something we genuinely aren't concerned about.

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Was there a granfathering of this warp to 0 ban? Or was it everyone that has used it in the past 1 year (or just last week? )

So if everyone now stops using EveMON & other cache scrappers will they escape the wrath of PERMAban or are they still subject to it they ever used it ex post facto this warning?

This is spot on, thank you.

Stillman is lobbying for a EULA-compliant method as well so we won't have anything to worry about.

Thankfully EveMon does no interaction with the client (aside from scraping market data to send to a third-party distributor) so it can't be mistaken for botting, so I'm much more at ease with my fate in this game.

lol this is EVE for FFS common sense is about as common as an honest man JUST ASK DIOGENES

so can you explain to us why you don't do anything against this: http://i.imgur.com/kT9qs.jpg since it IS macro ?

and it leads to kills: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17365238

Thanks for the reply. (Two dev replies on the same day - I feel privileged! )