Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Both the Tempest and Maelstrom has fitting to spare after a full rack, Amarr has to start fitting mods before the guns are even installed .. was unaware of the Rohk having the same lax fitting.

Guess this tiericide business will drag on a bit if the aim is to afford same opportunity to all the races

Look at active tanking as well, Large Amor Repairer II uses FIVE HUNDRED PERCENT the PG of a Large Shield Booster II while requiring half the CPU yet the Amarr receive no additional PG to fit their repairer and obscenely large PG weapons. Yet the Maelstrom receives more CPU than other BS's, presumably to support shield tanking.

This makes it passed the balance team's meeting table?

Yep and you need two armor rep to have about the same repair than one shield rep.

This take a lot of pwg and you need a lot of capa also and you use a lot of capa to fire ....

the only ship t1 not navy you use the tachyon is the oracle ...

A shame. A single module and no MWD? We have to put rigs on our ships to get the best out them. Which while not a negative in its own right, shows a utter fundamental flaw in the design and balance.




I have abandoned all hope anyway.

CCP have absolutely zero intention of actually listening to us, since we can provide no metrics. And since Metrics is all they understand, its safe to say, we're boned.

And that truth is: they don't care.

I like this guy. Despite not having the best english, he has concisely and logically laid out not only that he agrees the Apoc and Abbadon both need cap, but that the Resist nerf is ****, and then followed it up with direct experience/proof from a logistical point of view helping to directly counter one of Fozzies 'biggest reasons this nerf needs to happen'.

You have the same resistance in shield tank because you can use all you medium slot in tanking. It's only armor nerf (sorry amarr nerf).

If you would like to correct the problem nerf the logistics ship and remove one remote armor or shield per logistics ship.

After all the feedback between this thread, the large energy turret thread, and the navy BC thread, it is still clear that Amarr are getting the worst end of all the new changes.

To Summarize:

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> Abaddon: -1% Resist/level. Hurts a ship that was never really overpowered. The new Megathron changes would have been sufficient to add variety to staple armour BS comps. Large energy turret changes help with cap usage a little, but not much.

> Apocalypse: -10% Laser Cap usage bonus, +7.5% Tracking. Gives the ship a tracking bonus which it really didn't need (never had tracking issues at long range). Takes away a cap usage bonus making the ship unviable for its role in both pvp and pve. Minor large energy turret fitting/cap usage changes help, but do not make up for loss of the -10%/level.

> Armageddon: -5% Laser ROF and -10% Laser Cap usage. +10% Drone Dmg/HP +10% Neut range. A radical redesign of one of EVE's most iconic and beloved ships. The loss of the Geddon as a cap friendly, 8 low slot, high dps laser boat hits Amarr hard, and instead gives it a vastly overrated drone and neut range boni which will quickly be realized to be sub-par. Fills a need that didn't exist and steps on the toes of the Dominix as well as Neut specialized ships. The gallente megathron now has 8 low slots, a claim that no Amarr BS can make now (racially out of line).


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> Navy Harbinger: -10% Laser Cap usage, -25m3 drone bay, +7.5% tracking. Continues the tradition of making the Harbinger hull terrible relative to its racial counterparts. Claims to add flexibility but essentially accomplishes nothing except distracting from Amarr's tradition of Armour tanking laser boats. Amarr ships generally do not need more than 4 mids, and a 7/4/7 slot layout with a 10% armour HP bonus would have been more appropriate. Once again creates a situation of the Gallente counterpart (Navy Brutix) getting a more "Amarr" low slot heavy layout.


> Archon: -1% Resist/Level. Hurts solo/duo Triage Archon pilots A LOT. On a ship upon which the fate of many engagements has rested, the loss of 5% at lvl 5 punishes Pilots who have spent years maxing out SP and pilot skill into this ship. It performed its role well and the loss of the resists came as a part of a lazy CCP effort to buff active rep bonuses, by across the board nerfs to resists, without consideration to the Ship's actual balance level. Takes away another area that Amarr excelled at, narrowing the already narrow list of reasons to fly Amarr over Winmatar.


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Overall Amarr ships are getting worse across the board. Remedial measures such as the proposed fitting/cap changes to large energy turrets are pathetic and clearly highlight the problems CCP has created for itself in the poor quality of proposed changes.
Although CCP has done a good job addressing other areas/races like the Mega/Hyp, Raven, and cruise missiles, this will only add to the problems Amarr will face post-odyessy by increasing the performance gap that results from the above nerfs.

Amarr BS were solid Armour-Laser boats, each with its own specialized role. Taking away what made these ships Amarr instead of addressing the fitting issues that limited the Apoc/Geddon's usage will not fix anything. Add the useless Navy Harb, and the across the board -1% resist change, and we are left with a sub-par ship lineup that does not fit the racial flavor. Fewer low slots, more utility, more drones? These are things that were not the mainstay of Amarr ships, but were rather secondary traits, left for T2 and specialized hulls.

CCP's efforts to have ships acrosss hull classes fit a cookie cutter progression model is lazy, and is resulting in lackluster new hulls like the dragoon, becoming the template for classic models like the Geddon. The lack of meaningful feedback means that we will likley not see any major changes to these proposals before Odyessy, and I anticipate once all the changes hit, you will see significant hits to Amarr ship performance and usage. Newer Amarr pilots do not understand the scope and depth of how these changes corrupt the character of our race. Amarr has never been a easy race to fly, it has always been skill intensive and has always made fair sacrifices for what it excels in. The other races, especially Minmatar, have over the years become easier and easier to fly, while sacrificng little to nothing in retrun. With the latest changes, many Minmatar and Gallente ships will actually surpass Amarr in areas in which Amarr used to specialize. Is this really diversity?

I fear that the new path CCP has put Amarr on will just make the game bland, and reduce the need to crosstrain, giving each race a different colored version of the same thing, rather than letting each race excel at it's respective focus. There will be even fewer reasons to fly Amarr over their racial counterparts after Odyssey. To those that critcize older pilots for just being opposed to change, I would respond that we value meaningful change that fixes existing problems rather than changing the flavor of the race and adding more problems.

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Bad Amarr Changes are Bad. CCP is Lazy. Don't ruin our ships/race.

Just shut up man. You are just damaging the messag eyou want to transmit you are just makign ammar whinner s look stupid. You really thinks it makes any difference 35 pg or the inclusion of these extra 500 pG? At end of day the tempest will have to fly with the same exact RC II regardless if you have ADV upgraded IV or V even with the extra PG. Its irrelevant? Do I need to guide your hand trought the proccess of using your brain?

You clearly shows how biased youa re and how you do not care for balance but for your preferred toys. Peopel liike you are the reason why we usually cannot get the develoipers to listen to the good ideas and argument, because people acting like you are just make worthles reading these forums!

makes you wonder why they don't improve cap batteries they would make a natural fit on laser ships.
Roles should be
-cap rechargers - easy fitting/ improves cap regen
-cap batteries - medium fitting /higher cap regen plus extra cap/ neut defence can refill used cap boosters
-cap boosters - High fitting/ high cap injections but limited boosters before reload