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It's a good start. The only way we'll know for sure if this is the start of something good is to be here two years from now and look back on it.

O hell ya this is awsome man!!!

And I love the way your not only going to help fix Hybird Tech 2 ammo but all of them. Thx u! Thx u! Thx u!

I realy think this is a very good way to balance this as well. Nothing all to radical at once just a hand full of small twikes.

Awsome awsome job guys

Exactly. The significant change in the fitting reqs for hybrids opens the door for completely new loadouts, and new surprises - which will become more evident once the changes go live and players get creative.

I like how someone before was comparing a hurricane to the brutix, and complaining that the hurricane was still substantially better.
Try comparing the Brutix to the CYCLONE... you know tier 1 battlecruiser with tier 1 battlecruiser. I dare say the Brutix will come out on top (but I'm just guessing here)

Or I guess you could all just continue to nut off about changes that we haven't even had a chance to try in action yet. Yeah that's probably the more sensible thing to do :)

Posted stats are an improvement, but I am afraid no amount of buffing/ boosting will make Dual 150mm and Dual 250mm rail guns useful. So they might as well just get rid of them or drastically redesign their role.

That;s brilliant. Also you got my idea spot on. Directional smartbombs.

I also like your ideas on how you could switch scripts. Maybe what blasters need is a completely new idea. Ok hear me out. What if blasters and hybrids get a debuff even, and are on purpose weaker than all other weapon systems.

HOWEVER, all hybrids can change between blaster and railgun Mode. Thus they would be the lowest end damage wise, and other ways, but they would be about to dock in the ship, and come out as the other type.

Being able to choose range and dps to that degree would make it wroth being so weak?

This, and lol at Gypsio for not writing out his poasts in word before posting them because of CCP's horrible forum software. More than a few of us have been going over blaster/hybrid issues in https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=14433&find=unread - have the devs been even paying attention to this, or have they once again done a :CCP:? It's not just tracking for blasters, and damage for rails. There are multiple interlocking issues requiring adjustment:

1. Blaster damage - you've got to have the facemelting™ aspect to compensate for the disadvantages of the weapon system. Currently you don't got it.

2. Mobility of the blaster platform. If you can't catch it, you'll never kill it. On the other hand, it can't be sustained mobility because this is the realm of minmatar. Gallente need dash speed - a short, high speed sprint to target, followed by facemelting™. They can't have sustained high speed or everything and anything will get caught and there's no counter to it. In addition the simple fact is that currently speed is such an issue that only ships generally of cruiser size and smaller with blasters are viable because the bigger you get, the slower you get, and the worse off this becomes. 850m/s MWD speed on a battleship doesn't cut it.

3. Rails with super fast probing, 250km lock limit, and 150km warp range aren't useful as they once were. Even if they didn't have these issues, they still could use ammo changes so that as range increases, the damage compared to other weapons becomes proportionally better.

4. Something that all gallente players know, but CCP has so far refused to acknowledge, is the horrible imbalance that armor rigs add to the game with regards to amarr/gallente playbalance. Currently armor rigs nerf speed, which for any gallente ship is a killer. You can't take an already slow ship overall (especially in larger hull classes) and then make it even slower. This makes a bad situation even worse. Conversely, an amarr ship literally doesn't care, because while it's quite slow, huge EHP and the ability to hit the target well out to mid ranges with pulse lasers mean that it doesn't need speed, it can hit you without needing to get close. The speed penalty to the rigs needs to be dropped - change it to shield HP reduction. Shield rigs also need similar treatment but that's another topic.

5. Active tanking? Plates/rigs slow down ships, which is a no-no for gallente. Can't catch it, can't kill it. This means that active tanking becomes default in many cases for gallente ships, because it doesn't reduce speed - plus of course the ship bonuses that "advantage" these fits. This also needs to be addressed to make gallente more viable.

6. EW? Do CCP honestly think that after nerfing the crap out of damps - which was needed because of burn eden ravens and similar fits - that the fact that the actual EW gallente ships are ineffective at their supposed task, that this is a good idea? No one fits damps routinely other than bombers, which ought to tell you something about the utility of the module.

7. Drones? How about fixing the moronic stacking mechanics of non jamming drones so that they actually are useful? What about the fact that there are really only 2 flavors of useful damage drones - thermal, and explosive?

8. Ships - alluded to many times but you need to actually look at the ships as well. Myrmidon needs to become a BC sized domi. The drone variant of the proteus needs to actually be a drone variant, not a half/half setup like it is now. Deimos needs addressing, etc, etc.


In short, while the proposed changes are, well, a start, they're " a bit short". There's a hell of a lot more that needs addressing than what you've just covered.

Oh man. :D

"Have your friend fly over and web him?"

And what happen if he have friend too and his friend using a web on you too ? :DDD
Bring friend to webing your enemies a fail idea, that's not fixing blaster weakness to long distance. (Long distance with passable damage for Large blaster is max. 13-15km LOL) Use brain what will happen, when a faster ship keep distance at 20km.

Blasters not need more damage, just need better damage to farther distance. Or need their boats other bonuses like: + 5% scram range/lvl or 5%web range/lvl, or need better ability to move shorther distance to enemies, or blaster needs better optimal or falloff ranges.

Other solutions: change hybrids overheat effects to +25% falloff or something, which help shot the farther targets with decent damage. (but this is a worst solution, because hybrid will lost + damage from overheat)

You talking earlier about, easy warping to 0 km. Realy ?? When aligning with ab or mwd an enemy will changing his position. You never will warping to 0km.
When you warping from far distance, and enemy fleet aligning something, you get a handicap instantly, because you will there too far to using your blasters with full damage.
Incoming winter patch wont be enough to fix blasters and gallentean ships. Medium ships will still unuseable against other equal class size ships. They will useable just in very short range (because too short firerange), but easily die when they meet with good enemy pilot who just keep distance with faster ship. (and more ships still will be faster after this patch too)

This changes not enough. Blaster ships will still useable for docking warriors, but not enough for pilots who want to fight not just at the stations and at gate camp.
Just see it, who many pilot using, Eos,Astarte,Brutix,Hyperion,Celestis,Keres,Deimos,Rokh,Eagle,Ferox. How many blaster and rail ship flying in 0.0 fleets. 0.0001 percent ?
Just ask it from yourself why not using them.

Oh and something else, rail 10% damage multiplier changes wont fix rail. CPU changes is too small. Dont forget, CPU from Weapon upgrades bonuses will be smaller too.

Oh and please Tallest, try to weed through the massive amounts of trolling ITT.

Umm... because supercarriers don't fit blasters?