Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Issue is, when CCP introduced MJD they shoudl have increased ALL battelships fittign to accomodate one more easily.

Not mine. Logic is by its very nature universal

The Maelstrom with its RoF bonus cannot really be any more focused towards autocannon use, perhaps with falloff bonus but that is nitpicking. If the aim is focus it beyond a doubt then the only recourse is to decrease its grid to a point where 2-3 fitting mods are needed for a full rack of 1400's .. it would still be insanely powerful as an alpha hull but should lose some of its 'obvious, choice is obvious' status.
Question is if CCP are willing to take that fight, because so many people depend on its ability to do what no other ship can, enough to probably hold another of those moronic 'Burn Jita' shindigs .. just look at the Hurricane revision debacle .. there were hardly any tears, the opponents skipped that part and went straight to murderous rage

Three years of Winmatar has unfortunately made any attempts at bringing them back in line a hazardous proposition for CCP.

Not SUPPOSED to be sustainable. It's attack BS. It's Armageddon. It either happens, or not.
You jump in close, offload your capacitor, and either back off, or win. Or, well, die. You may prefer AB for better cap sustainability, or double cap booster, or go for full cap stable setup, it all possible. Question is, what would you prefer to trade.
Also, it makes good laser PvE ship, with MJD, Tachyons and very little tank just to get off the initial aggro. Notice "good", not "overpowered".

MWD bonus should help you get in and out of engagement. However, you may put here tracking instead.


Yes, just yes. It's the only BS, that looks like a drone boat.
6 lows plus a nonstacked resistance bonus. Two non-stacked, if you count in DC. Could be buffed back to 5%, if tests prove that it's lacking something. You can't balance separate parts of the ship in the void. Enough, that I've counted spherical damage in vacuum when I compared RoF with Dmg bonus, completely disregarding tracking and range issues.
Also, with drone "firepower", you don't need many slots to fill in. If you ABSOLUTELY want 7 lows, 8/3/7 is always the option. But then you're short on mids and can't fit enough Omni.
Also (again), assuming the buffed cap regen, dualrep tank should be easily possible, choose you to overtank it.
Also, as I said earlier, there's already "Amarr" EW ship in the game.

It's a prop mod, and it's fitting cost is not much different, than of other prop mods. If you WANT one, you'll find a way to fit it. Not that some ships can't be helped here, not because of MJD, but because of the "Tiers". "Tier 1" ships commonly lacking PG/CPU to fit anything competitive to the "Tier 3".

CCP is a modern company, they don't discriminate. They'll ignore everyone!

Fasten your seatbelts indeed...this is one hell of a crash. I agree with tiericide...but not with the armageddon changes. I even agree with the poor apoc somehow, i know it lacks track, but you will make it usless to pve this way. Like i said, @agree somehow@.
The apoc will propable be even more unpopular in mission running and as for sniper fleets, people will most likely chose the rockh over it. So long apoc....
As for the armageddon...after days i-m still i WTF phase...i mean...sure....amarr is the number 2 in drones...i agree, it needs a drone ship. But it already had one.
You-re turning the armageddon into a pseudo/gallente style dominix.
This would be perfect if you were making a tech II version of the armageddon with the skill Juggernauth, and other versions for the rest of the 3 factions.
The armageddon was fine as it is, the rate of fire it-s like...ICONIC, when we think about the amarr faction. The LARGE rapid firing laser bonus is something Unique that only the armageddon holds on at the moment among all battleships capable of using lasers.
Even if you switched it to damage bonus on the geddon, i-d still say, rate of fire is what it fits for it.
I-m not saying that your ideas aren-t cool, because they ARE. But, for a new ship, an armageddon-s brother.
Aside this...i personaly think that only the apocalypse needs some tweaks...

Ps> Please keep the armageddon good as it is...Thank you

*devils advocate*

Rather than changing a ship that everyone already loves... I'm sure there are loads of other ship design ideas that people entered in the competitions the other year that could be used ;)
I'm sure there are also plenty of artists who would love to help in modelling and texturing the final designs too

Since I know the CCP hasn't gotten around to responding, I figured I'd post this since it gives more depth to the thought process behind the changes; I still think CCP can do better than what's been proposed, but it should make things easier to either 1) understand and 2) refute.

http://www.twitch.tv/sirsqueebles/c/2156104

The whole thing can help contribute to this discussion, but the first 20 min is sort of a general "Why we changed the ships we did".

Well it seems a pretty spontaneous interview, and I don't think CCP Rise speaks any other languages.

Twitch isn't the best platform, but it was streamed on twitch by SirSqueebles- take it up with him, I wouldn't blame CCP for that.

Also my internet is like 1 Mbit/sec tops, depends on if my roommate is streaming magnum PI on netflix or not. It ran the twitch vid just fine.

"There's a very large... segment... of the population that just doesn't want to see the Geddon change."

I just want to say: the new Geddorn is a fine ship and I don't object to having it. What I object to is the radical change of the Armageddon. You might as well have said you're deleting the Rifter, Thorax, Domi, or Mega. It's an iconic ship. I know I'm reiterating an earlier post, but come on man.

-Liang