Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Sad to see the phoon destroyed like this. I want to clarify something about the phoon though. I do all my pvp in w-space and the typhoon was something of a workhorse for my corp until we bucked up got a neut legion to compliment our T3 oriented gangs. We started out with a torp phoon and 2x heavy neuts plus 1 medium. Being in w-space you rarely see battleships used for anything other than running mass through wormholes to close them so the majority of our targets are flying BC class and smaller ships. Flying with a small gang as we do it's important that each ship carry full tackle so our phoons had MWD, web, scram, and a medium cap booster to keep the neuts running; As you can imagine the lack of TP meant our torps weren't applying much DPS at all to cruiser sized hulls especially T3's which were our most frequent targets.

Seeing as how most of our DPS was coming from the full compliment of heavy drones while facing cruisers we decided to switch the torps out for autocannons and then a real beast was born, sure they don't have the giant paper DPS that the torps touted but they made up for it in applied DPS vs. anything smaller than a battleship considering they were mostly immobile. The phoon as it was and still is today is one of the most if not THE most versatile ships in the game, it offered viable and truly effective fits for torp users and likewise for turret users while allowing ample ways to deal with smaller targets and/or GTFO ability from the sizable drone bay. Hell the ship is the TOP rated battleship on battleclinic and for good reason, it's a monster.

With the proposed changes I can't see using it over a tempest for the small gang role we utilize it in and with the new geddon looking so tasty I can't say any of the minnie BS will ever grace our hangars again. If the phoon really must be primarily a launcher platform then you can't take away it's ability to harm smaller ships by nerfing it's drone bay. Losing a utility slot on top of that is just insult to injury. If you change the navy versions of all these ships you're ruining as well, like the domi and phoon, then you're going to have a lot of disappointed pilots. Anyways that's my two cents.

Dude you just prooved that no one shoudl ever listen to you again!!! You seriously think the torps are the best thing to be on those high slots? Specially since tempest usually lacks CPU?

Please .. let the peope that know how tmepest work discuss from now on.

That is why peopel that want a 6th mid want the tempest to get .11 agility. Then the tempest can fil a completely different role as of the maelstrom.

I for once welcome our new tempests overlords! And approve this post!

I see what you're saying, but the key differences here are sig radius and tracking. The smaller ships' lower sig radius allows them to, when combined with speed, avoid fire. With the sig radius the size of a small moon, that's less likely to happen with a battleship. Additionally, while this Tempest modification would give it a greater ability to dictate range, it doesn't directly help its tracking, and it will fail to track things that the hurricane will own in the face.

No, you'd make the Tornado redundant, let alone the hurricane. It's already pretty bad with the Raven and the Typhoon (the new typhoon is a monster btw)


Give the tempest an extra mid, let it focus on armour ewar/utility or shield BS kiting and stop the madness.

i almost agree with this, the pest would be really interesting with more speed and agility, but giving him the same speed and agility than the mach is, IMAO, a bit too much.

give him the same agility but 80-90% of it's speed, or vice-versa, but not both

I don't mind making it as agile as the phoon or megathron or adding more CPU, but making it a t1 Macharical is WAAAAY over the top.

In the 7/6/6 slot layout however, you'd have the flexibility to do whatever you wanted without having OMGWTF stats out of the box with no compromises, which is what we shouldn't be asking for. Let's face it, eve has changed, and without causing more issues down the line by displacing other ship roles, I believe this is the best way to make the Tempest move with the times.

It's not very reasonable to make it more agile than a Gallente attack boat, but it should be faster. If it's less agile but with more outright speed, you can avoid getting caught if you're careful, but you won't have the "we can never catch winmatar" crowd.

As fast as a T1 Mach or even close is too much, but it should be as fast as the new phoon that's for sure. I wouldn't mind losing a high for a mid or a low, as long as there's some more cpu and speed. I even like my amour pest, but really that's only because I can't use torps or large blasters.

As it stands, if you gave the Tempest the 7/6/6 slot layout, a shield fit could be made faster than an active tanking Megathron if a low was sacrificed for a speed mod. There may even be more room for more speed or agility increases but what we shouldn't be asking for is reversing the current meta (Gallente needs to have faster base speeds to make up for armour and the fact they fight at point blank) - Minmatar, the Tempest in particular, should be given the choice: either brick it and go max out on tank, gank and damage projection, provide a platform for fleet support with ewar or go super fast and kite like your life depends on it. I think 7/6/6 gives it that option.