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Alt POS Setup: HS + Use by Main not in corp...
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Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#1 - 2013-04-15 00:18:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Aurelius Valentius
Greetings,

I have a specific goal here, and I think I have it sort of figured out, but there are some things I am sure I missed - this being theory-craft and not practiced.

I have a Main in an NPC corp. (Me), and I want to make an Alt with the minimum skills to start a corp. and to anchor a POS, with a Hangar, and a Refinery to it in a HS system for 1+ days mining expeditions... the sole reason is the systems I am in don't have stations, and so I have decided on this as the best way to do it.

Now the theory part is the above have read on this, but not sure on best practices...

So:

Can anyone comment on the following:

Setup of the Alt.
Setup of the Alt. corp.
Setup and Deployment of the Alt. POS
Roles for Alt. as CEO, and Main as User not in corp.
Configuration of corp. for Main to not be in corp. but to access and use POS.
... and anything else I missed?

On the alt. corp and Alt - the barest minimum to get it done, and the rest to the main with access.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#2 - 2013-04-15 01:07:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
A character not in the same corp as the POS owner cannot make use of anything.

If the characters are in the same alliance, then it is possible to give the non-corp owning characters limited access, but they can only do ME and PE research that does not require materials, as they have no access to hangars.

A guide to POS labs

Skills:
* Corporation Management 1 to create a corp.
* Anchoring 1 to anchor a control tower and turrets.
* Anchoring 2 to anchor shield hardeners.
* Anchoring 3 to anchor EWAR and nearly everything else.

Use titles when handing out roles.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#3 - 2013-04-15 01:08:12 UTC
The only people who can use a POS are people in the same Corp (or, just for ME and PE slots when no materials are needed, the alliance)

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Fuzzwork Enterprises

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Rengerel en Distel
#4 - 2013-04-15 01:24:31 UTC
Putting up a refining array in HS when you have the standings to anchor a POS is pretty idiotic too. Your main can warp into the POS (can set the shield password on your ship) and offload into something like an enormous freight container, then you can haul the ore to a station to refine.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Illest Insurrectionist
Sparta.
#5 - 2013-04-15 01:49:51 UTC
I don't know that you can even anchor a refinery in HS let alone all the other issues brought up.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#6 - 2013-04-15 01:57:41 UTC
Illest Insurrectionist wrote:
I don't know that you can even anchor a refinery in HS let alone all the other issues brought up.

You can't.

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Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#7 - 2013-04-15 12:22:52 UTC
Ah, I just wanted to have a place to dump ore while I mine in a 0.5 system with my ships - there are no stations in the system, I can refine 1 jump over, but the time to travel kills it... having to jump even one jump is rather annoying, but I suppose it is the only way... and explains why not one mines there...

The other option is later I suppose if I get into WHs, I can always just take a POS tower and such with me.

Thanks for the input, I see why it's not really and option.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#8 - 2013-04-15 14:11:55 UTC
1. Anchor POS (etc) with the alt. (Skills listed)
2. Train alt to use an Orca.
3. Haul with Orca from belt -> POS.
4. Pick up ore (again with the alt) and haul to station when you're done.


Note, you need 5.00 or better standing with the holding faction (Amarr, Gallente, Caldari, or Minmatr) to anchor a POS in hisec.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#9 - 2013-04-15 19:35:11 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
Ah, I just wanted to have a place to dump ore while I mine in a 0.5 system with my ships - there are no stations in the system, I can refine 1 jump over, but the time to travel kills it... having to jump even one jump is rather annoying, but I suppose it is the only way... and explains why not one mines there...

The other option is later I suppose if I get into WHs, I can always just take a POS tower and such with me.

Thanks for the input, I see why it's not really and option.

Well it is an option. Anyone get into the POS shield if they have the password. your main can enter the shield, but can not use hanger arrays, or any other pos module, only can enter the shield. But your main can drop an enormous freight container inside the shield, and use it as a hanger. The alt will not be able to access it, but it will be safe from others because it is inside the shield. It can be hauled by a ship with only 2500m3 cargo but when deployed will hold 250,000m3. you can scoop it with a freighter, or just pick up from it with another hauler.

The atls POS will do nothing for your main but provide them a bubble to hide in. but if set up right that will be all you need.
An alternative is to simply drop the enormous freight container at a safe spot. nobody can find the container unless you are on grid with it. just get in and out fast when dumping ore. freight containers do not despawn like jetcans do., and they hold way more. i have had a few at safe spots since oct of last year, and they are still there.
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#10 - 2013-04-16 16:38:39 UTC
It's one of the HUGE list of requirements that the pos needs working on, you should be able to set access to certain modules using a 'standing' setting much as you should be able to block access to even getting into the shield via a standing setting too, but that's a different story.


Your only real option if you don't want to go down the orca route is anchoring cans inside the field as others have suggested.


Sigh, it's a shame that CCP have let the fiasco of the pos system stagnate
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#11 - 2013-04-16 17:35:10 UTC
Emma Royd wrote:
It's one of the HUGE list of requirements that the pos needs working on, you should be able to set access to certain modules using a 'standing' setting much as you should be able to block access to even getting into the shield via a standing setting too, but that's a different story.


Your only real option if you don't want to go down the orca route is anchoring cans inside the field as others have suggested.


Sigh, it's a shame that CCP have let the fiasco of the pos system stagnate

freight containers do not get anchored. they do not have the option, but they also do not move or despawn so no need to anchor. They can not be locked though. However in the OP's situation it would be safe as nobody else would have access inside the shield.
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-04-19 20:10:21 UTC
I saw a Freighter parked in an ice belt the other day with a swarm of Mackinaws around it so there's always that Roll
Saeryn Solette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-04-20 09:56:13 UTC
Klymer wrote:
I saw a Freighter parked in an ice belt the other day with a swarm of Mackinaws around it so there's always that Roll



oooh gank heaven ..... erm just where was it you saw this again? Twisted