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I find the idea of that no delay ammo change and interesting one, as it fits the hybrid T1 ammo concept of different ranges well. Interesting idea.

What about VOID ammo? Seems like that needs some serious attention as well, or maybe I missed it. But its hardly used due to the tracking penalty. Remove that and that would make blaster boats even more face meltingly appealing.

I actually think the lowering of the signatur radius could be a viable improvement. Longer locking time for others and harder to hit. In theory sounds much like what a blaster boat could need.

Sorry, me again ....

i read the probe thing and sniping battleships.

But hey, there are ways to reduce this problematic. Like having an interceptor wich is flying top speed - in any direction to give the fleet an instant warpout, if enemy is warping in.

But back to my Caldarian Thinking.

What defines a Sniper Battleship like the Rokh. The Rokh is a specialised Platform, or better the platfom i would like to see. With that optimal Bonus it is THAT ship for sniping actions.

As i said, a improvement of the hardcap will be fine. What did you do against a fleet, you cant lock ? - Right- RUN !

I do not want that overhelimgubar ROKH.

I know that i never will have that damage a megathron has. I know that i will never have the capstableness and tanking ability like a dominix. I know that the Rokh is not fast enough, to kite a neuting megathron.

But i love this ships, and i love my blasters and rails.

Please - give the Rokh more love in your thinkings.

P.S. The Velocity Bonus is useless on this ship. The Rokh is no Racing Ship.

Simply Not enough.

Hybrids still have all the disadvantages of every weapon system with no advantage to speak of. Lasers get unlimited ammo and insta load but use cap, Projectiles get damage type, plus range modifiers, and no cap, but have 10 second load time. Missles get damage type and no cap, but have 10 second laod time.
Hybrids get range selection that can not be fully be utilsed because of 10 seconds load time and nerfing dps. But for that they get cap usage, and 10 second load time. This load time should be reduced from 10 seconds to 5 seconds, If you need to justify this hybrid ammo is smaller than projectile ammo and missles so it would make sense that it could load faster, they need an inert advantage here.

Another problem was being able to apply your dps. +10 m/s and agility will not solve this. Someone earlier suggested having ammo trade cap for range instead of DPS for range. This makes sense, currently Blaster which can only be used in extremley short range are penalised for using them in extremly short range because it cost them more cap to do so. That does not make sense, the longer the range the more cap you use, this is how hybrids should work. This should also be combined with reducing hybrid ammo load time from 10 to 5 seconds so that they can easier switch out ammo to actually utilize this while fighting.

until then
Blasters will still be useless in fleets because they cant engage/DPS at normal fleet ranges,
Rails will still be useless because their DPS is sub-par at normal sniper fleet ranges.
SImply the negatives still outweigh the positives by a large factor.

Well ive flown blasterboats for over 8 years, and have allmost twice your sp in gunnery, so that argument kinda fails

And this buff is not even close to enough to fixing blasterboats tbh.

Our ships are slow as hell, and becomes even slower once u put on the standard buffer or active tank fits.
Our dps is also not good enough considering the rather ****** range we have compared to the other races.

also this

i disagree that blasters need more range. Short range in their niche. What may help is if the current ammos that give increased range did a reasonable amount of damage. Then maybe I'd consider using them over antimatter.

The proposed 10 m/s speed increase isn't enough though, as has already been stated. Minmatar ships will still be able to maintain range.

Your forum software is ****, CCP.

/me starts again... less coherent this time though.

It's good to see you looking at hybrids, but these changes still don't give people a reason to use them on the cruiser and BS scale. You've hardly addressed the problem of actually getting into blaster range against faster, long-ranged AC ships, although I am glad to see you acknowledge it. Nor have you given blasters a sufficient damage advantage close up, over Pulse and ACs, to make them worth using, to compensate the difficulty and danger inherent to going into web range. Currently, ACs can do blasters' job about as well as blasters, with no cap use, selectable damage types and immense falloff to boot, and your problem is that the blaster changes don't alter this fact.

There's still no reason to use rails. They have no role - or rather, their role can be performed almost as well by other, more flexible weapons. Long-range work doesn't really exist, thanks to the 249 km cap, instant probing and on-grid warping. And if it did exist, Tachyons on optimal-bonused hulls would still do the job just as well, but with far greater flexibility and more damage at closer ranges. At closer range, Caldari railboats, the supposed rail specialists, will be outdamaged by the Gallente hulls, and both offer no significant advantage over the much more flexible artillery and optimal-bonused Scorch.

Small hybrids are basically fine, don't touch them.

To get people using hybrids again, you've got to make them worth using. You can argue that hybrids are actually well balanced, because they have well-defined roles; it's the power-creep of the other weapons, encroaching into blasters' niche (AC hull speed, AC damage, tracking and ammos, Pulse tracking) and rails' niche (Tachyons, optimal-bonused hulls, impossibility of maintaining range) that are causing the problems.

In my mind, you can't fix hybrids without significant nerfs to projectiles and lasers. If I'm right, this "fix" will fail. At least if that does happen, you'll then have the evidence you need to rebalance the other weapons... although hopefully you won't wait another two years.

Calling it now, a Myrmidon will still be better using its current fit with Projectiles, than with Hybrid even after the changes...


Add the Hyperion to this list, as 100 bandwidth basically makes this a pre-gimped battleship, and the Proteus as its pointless to have a Drone T3 with only 4x Heavy's...

When the reload time is fixed to 10 sec

Then your tactic is just change ammo to scratch paint from longer distances?

You can't fix blasters if you're not able to pick the only available choices, and those are hard:

- Give them enough range to be usefull in close/med range combat

- Give them nuclear warheads dps and keep the crap distance

- Increase significantly speed with AB or MWD bonus (one of them not both oc)

- Give them bonus to web and scram range or strgth for web only

Now you have to pick 2 of the above like it or not.

If you don't everything you're doing is some makeup, by the same time you buff projectiles even more. Now the hybrids buff looks like what?

I'll still be flying Minmatar over my first race tbh hybrids buff or not at the current state. Sure I'll fly some here and there just for lulz but when I get back to serious business, I'll pick Minmatar and Angel (my Cyna will love the projectiles buff, he was not overpowered enough)