Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Alpha/Projectiles is king so Maels and Pests are obvious, Phoon excels in that ever narrowings niche called small scale fighting .. Minmatar are obvious.
Dominix rebounded from nos nerf change and ECM nerf change both due to to the inherent power of the platform, Megathron is just plain cool even when on the receiving end of said coolness .. Hype is/was extraordinarily 'meh'.
Raven is Raven and nothing comes close when it comes to easy handling in PvE, Rokh just got boosted by way of blaster changes and ASB's and the Scorp is ECM.
Amarr's Abaddon is blob warfare refined, nothing compares to a properly run Bad-Blob. Apoc has only been fielded by the clueless mission runners and as a massive battery used to neut stuff .. Geddon suffered from mid slot deficiency.

So you are partially right, but the ships were not used because they were inherently bad but because they had fallen behind. No revision, major or otherwise, has been made to Amarr and its weapons for a long (read: longest) time .. and in Eve we min/max like champs!

Don't worry overly much about the cap issue, it can always be sorted down the road when you handle the cap eating monsters called 'lasers' .. I for one can live with a year of forced use of an injector if I know that relief is to be found Soon™.

As for slots:
To me the current Abaddon has proven its mettle with "only" the slots it has, you might want to compensate it a bit for the sudden loss of the 5% unstacked omni-resists by increasing armour slightly but otherwise good as is.

Same goes for the Apoc, has proven itself to be quite versatile although it could do with a couple of launcher slots .. with no damage bonus it can't afford to lose a high and three mids on a BS is just FUBAR (why you let the Geddon live with that stigma for so long only Goddess knows!).

Which leaves the new Armageddon. A ship whose power lies in laying waste to an enemy cap from afar and using drones to murderize him. We might see some autocannon/missile (laser = cap = big nono) fits but I think it will mostly be gimmicks with all neuts being the norm .. but it doesn't have cap to run those neuts which it doesn't have, so be extension it doesn't need all those highs .. make it 6/4/8 or 6/5/7 .. sets it apart with both potentially solving any lingering issues (latter with better effect through injection or fight control mods (eWar/tackle)).
Personally (as Amarr only pilot) partial to letting Gallente having the 8 lowslot monopoly if I get to fly a non recon ship with more than 4 mids .. the mere thought of the wondrous opportunities that 5th would bring makes my heart all aflutter.
PS: Besides, it is one thing that all BS have same slot layout, but for the drone boat to mimic that of its smaller cousin (Prophecy) is just outrageous

High to mid on Geddon and internal debate on laser module cap reduction. Now lets move on, we need to figure out how the hell you are to make the T2 hulls fit into this new muddled paradigm of yours.

The point being that when logistics are involved resistance bonuses are tremendously more powerful than local repair bonuses, it scales very badly and ensure that only resistance bonuses ships are used for fleet work. So an effort is being made to bring resistance bonused ship down a bit, and we'll see local rep bonus ships being buffed... possibly by making the repair bonus also affect incoming remote repair amount (we'll have to see).

I'd still like it if the option were explored to make ship bonuses either repair amount or raw armor/shield amount (like the Augoror)... reserving resistance bonuses for T2 boats. I think this would be much easier to balance over all.

Why stuff more ships into that atrocious pigeon hole called "buffer for the WIN!"? Once you slap that bonus on it you know that it will never be undocked without 3+ 1600s and a cyno for the alt triage .. hate the raw armour bonus so much that I think said hate surpases even that of Gallente's towards the rep bonus.

Abaddon has no noticeable cap issues currently and with no changes to that aspect, it won't in the future. With no drones to speak of and that lovely low tracking it will never be a solo boat --> perfect for its intended use = gangs/fleets/jack-hammer.
PS: Besides, it loses tank not cap by the resist reduction so illogical to even consider using it as reason for cap increase .. would apply if it was regularly fielded with active tank but ...

You have to remember, my proposed changes at max skills assume the resist change is kept (ie, 4% per level) as well as nerfing the total effective turrets at max skills from 10 down to 9, and not giving it any utility slots to in total balance out that 8th low slot (which can be used for more then just tank, it could be an HS for abit more damage, a TE for abit better range/tracking, ****** skilled pilots could use it as a cap mod, etc etc, while better skilled pilots even for pvp get the same options)

I swear to god if you turn the navy geddon into another ****** baahlgorn....

beam lasers

edit: oh god

Ok so maybe my ability at math is broken...

Mega Beam Laser 1
40 km range
16 falloff
65 GJ power usage
9.00 rate of fire
3.0 damage modifier
tracking 0.0153125 rad/sec
FITTING
55 CPU
3250 Powergrid



425mm Railgun 1
48 km range
24 km falloff
21 GJ power usage
9.56 rate of fire
3.025 damage modifier
0.01010625 rad/sec
FITTING
67 CPU
2200 Powergrid


ok so for 0.56 rate of fire and better tracking .. the Mega beam has 50% more fitting cost and 3x
the power cost to fire...
so lets reduce the capacitor on Amarr ships....

20% reduction in power use and 10% in grid is a joke .. took me less than 5 minutes to type this in even less to actually look at the data ... maybe you guys should

At this point, i'd deal with amarr ships being untouched and subpar for aother year or two if it means avoiding these changes.

armageddon is th only amarr BS i like to fly, heck, my old corp did geddon-gangs, we liked them. with these new changes there wont be an amarrian ship ill be able to rbing myself to fly, prolly just start fyng nightmares or switch to minmatar.

it makes me sad how the feedback from rise has just been mroe or less "we like these changes, your opinion is irrelevant". if any ship shoul have been the droneboat, if i reall the abaddon already had little built-in hangars and looks like a battlestar anyways.

Fozzie, Rise, one question: with Geddon becoming a full drone boat, the same thing will happen that happened to smaller amarr drone ships - when choosing the weapon type for highs, people will choose a weapon without cap use (projectiles or missiles). In my opinion, the old Geddon with lasers and drones was a lot more distinctively Amarr boat as opposed to current "mini Baalgorn". Is there any thought on encouraging Amarr players to use lasers even on unbonused hulls such as what the Geddon is becoming?

I personally would rather see Abaddon take this new Drone/Neut role and remake the classics into attack/combat or w.e you call them, but I guess there would be many others who would go up in arms because of that. I guess you can't please everyone... but you can please me by doing the above!
Seriously, classic... cmon! Don't take Mozart and turn into some punk rock music.

Looking forward to these changes coming to SiSi so we can actually test them with fire rather than play guessing games.