Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So let me tl;dr this for you.

We (CCP) put in place a bonus system that at the time was great!!! Then the players found out it was better than great and started to use it as intended .... So now we are nerfing it ... and in some cases NERFING SHIPS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN MENTIONED YET. Cause Caldari are so OP we must nerf every single useful ship they have. Fck Caldari, everyone fly Maelstrom.

You also lament the rise of alpha, do you not realise you are just REINFORCING that doctrine with your changes. There is not one SINGLE change to the mainstay of alpha, but you are slapping the hell out of every other doctrinal ship. And lets not forget the nerfs on tengus, and the massive buff to Arti that made alpha so much more effective. Yeah foz this is all the players fault, nothing to do with incompetence by the devs who over the past few years have forced alpha to the front.

As for your CSM pets, yeah right as if there is any chance of them affecting real decision making. You went ahead with Aurum despite massive CSM disapproval, they are just a sock puppet as proved in the past year. So no I will not vote in your kangaroo election.

The math is a lot more complicated than Fozzie makes out. Firstly, the 5% drop assumes max skills- a bunch of people will not have level V in every ship class they fly. This change will make the gains per level smaller, leading to a smoother progression (much like the covert ops CPU change), which is a change I would support.

This is independent to tweaking the overall max base resist after skills, which I strongly feel should be tweaked through the base resists of the ship (while accounting for the level V bonuses). If you feel the Rokh or whatever ship has too high overall resists, by all means, reduce that on the hull on a hull-by-bull basis, not with the bonuses or such a wide-sweeping change.

After that, it's not a flat 5% resist reduction on all these ships. Practically speaking, there will be other modules on fitted and their benefits will grow to fill the gap (because of the way resistances work), resulting in a less than 5% drop overall (this will only happen on ships with no resists added).

Active repping has its space, but with these changes the "space" of ships with active repping bonuses (like the Myrm) won't be invaded by actively repped, resistance bonused ships (like the Prophecy). So +1.

If everybody is worried about the loss of EHP, then just buff the baseline tanking stats of the affected ships.

Edit: Another benefit is that the "space" of T2 ships with resistance bonuses has increased a bit. It will be more beneficial for them to receive remote reps compared to these ships with resistance bonuses.

how about they would put it down to 2.5%...would this look better in your ship info?

Hey Fozzie!!!, don't trow the responsibility over CSM!!!! You guys are doing great! I really appreciated this change! (Despite the fact that i just trained Ammar BS lvl5) I just think that you had an awesome idea here and you are not using it as you could:


The point is that not only Armour resistance ships are overpowered, but the ships that get the rep bonus are under-powered in fleet fights. So you should also make the ships that get bonus on repair amount have a reduction in this bonus and also apply it to remote repairs .

I think that this change would not only fix the "Overpower Status" of remote reps by reducing it's efficiency on the overpowered ships, but will also spread it effects out of this group. Putin the resistance and the bonus repair amount ships tank in the same level.

Wasn't you guys trying to solve the Gallente fleet under-powered tank Issue?

As a pilot of ships without this bonus, I agree with you.

So ships like the Ferox which are only good because of the 5% get nerfed, ships like the Archon, whilst being the best triage carrier is still lol against dreads and even more so now (seriously, you can't tank two moros).

Some ships, like the drake need the nerf. I wouldn't be so quick to just blanketely apply these nerfs, especially when there's much more pertinant balancing issues like the way overpowered attack bc's, the lack of signature tanking ability against dreads and the ****** arse new player experience.

Stop trying to balance a million things at once, whilst introducing a line of navy bcs (lol) and changing bonuses and ships left right and centre.

Has anyone done the math on offsetting the resist loss on these ships with a base hp boost? You know, instead of a straight nerf just moving a portion of their ehp from resists to raw hp.

Overall this is a pretty fair change though, nice!

Seeing as they've not touched anything at all related to capital ships, I imagine they will address those in their own time, independent of subcaps. I think it would be asinine to say CCP is completely happy with the state of Cap ships and aren't going to touch them.

The fact is though that sub caps effect a much greater portion of the community than cap ships.

Actually, the list of affected ships includes both Amarr and Caldari carriers.

Well something has to rescue the Nidhoggur from repping duties...

And the Ferox is good because the range bonus gives it blasters that hit outside of docking with stuff, and it's quicker than most other battlecruisers.