Jita Park Speakers Corner

If you want more folks in 0.0 you have to accept the so called 'pubbies' as you call them. If you don't then you'll never see much increase in 0.0 population. It is attitudes like yours that keeps many from coming to 0.0. The key is not to kill them off in one fell swoop or betrayal. You allow them to settle etc, then raid once or twice a week. They can still make money enough to make it worthwhile to move to 0.0, and you get to have your pvp fun too.

If you think Goons do that every time, you are mistaken. Notice it still happens(not to long ago )? It wouldn't if it happened every time, or even a significant portion of the time. Go look at the list of corps in the GoonSwarm Federation. You know that if your not in GoonFleet, your not a goon, right? All those other corps? Normal eve corps who have joined the Swarm. WIdot is probably the best example of this. They may be part of GSF now, but they still maintain their own identity.

You would have to ask a member of GSF for an example of a highsec corp they have let in, but surely its happened.

Hey Tallian! Tell us the story of how Fatal Ascension took a region. Then Goons told them who could have what? That resulted in a few corps leave I heard.

So ... if -FA- is going to let Goons dictate alliance breaking things ... how good is the posts supporting them from -FA- members?

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Your thoughts?

Try getting what the community is saying in a week or two instead of dumping up and down months later? Do you even admit to interviews and stuff that you are repeating what others have already said many times?

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I think that if there were no Goon staff in CCP that CSM would be just a marketing tool.
However,
With Goons everywhere, they can use CSM as a tool to influence other CCP staff. "Look the players want this"

So it is really simply. You are and have both. Two edged sword.

That is certainly clear

Just hope others can read it

You have no power as CSM. You never were intended to. You are primarily a firewall between senior management and the players. Your secondary function is a sounding board when they choose to consult you.

CCP has plainly laid out in Greed is Good and Hilmar's leaked mail what their course is. They have no intentions of changing that course unless they see a significant change in their numbers. What is significant is only known to their senior management. That's something everyone needs to understand. Most like much like SOE with SWG in 2005 they have committed to this course and by the time they realize they've screwed up it'll be to late. The only real affect anyone can have is to cancel their subscriptions if they aren't happy. However you'd have to probably leave your account canceled for no less than 90 days to affect the numbers management looks at. Since many folks myself included by by the year etc, it can take a long time to cycle through such sufficient cancellations to actually change CCP's decision process. So much time that its probably not possible for them to fully change course anymore.

In essence they are milking EVE for what they can. Their goal is to realize DUST which will probably have a shelf life of a year given its on a console, maybe less. They'll funnel the money from it into WoD to complete development. WoD would then release about 2 years after DUST, EVE will be in a slow decline until then and most likely assuming WoD is a success sunsetted at some time between 3-5 years from now. To the suits it is business nothing more nothing less.

You don't need 10. There are two in discussion that would greatly cripple wormhole life.

1. Removal of ABC ores. As you may or may not know. wormholes are also null. More like deep-null with -1.0 sec status. As a result, wormholes have ABC ores. These are required in wormholes for the primary reason of T3 construction. You should, hopefully, be aware that minerals are required for the gas processing that goes into T3 components and hulls. Due to the logistical difficulties of moving large quantities of anything to and from holes, taking a required component from them would greatly and directly affect T3 production resulting in, without doubt, greater prices for Tengus, Lokis, etc. as some corps would give up bothering while others raise prices to cover the additional expense and headaches.

2. Removal of Ice from high sec. Ice. We love ice. We need ice. One thing wormholes don't have, though, is ice. Our pos' are dependent, like all are, on the fuels obtained from ice. If ice leave high sec, this will directly nerf wormholes by causing a significant increase in the cost of the fuels. As a result, smaller corps will find they can no longer afford to maintain their pos, while larger corps will need to find ways to offset the fuel cost hit. This will, undoubtedly, affect once again the one thing that wormholes do produce that no one else does... T3 ships and components.

It's simple to see, when you step back and look at the different areas of Eve and how they interconnect (as opposed to focusing solely on null, or high sec, etc.) how these changes would result in negative effects rippling throughout the game. The sad part is... they would do nothing to get people into null sec. People that prefer a wormhole frontier style life want nothing to do with the mega-alliance mafia style null sec lifestyle and visa versa. High sec folks like their game a little safer, a little smaller and are happy with the lower risk/reward style they're accustomed to. There are four sandboxes in Eve... high, low, null and Anoikis. If you take the sand out of any one box, people won't decide to go play in a different box. They'll leave their empty box and go home.

This tbh. I personally laugh at them whenever they get all uppity and think they actually have any sway over anything.

Wow, I'd ask which orifice you extracted that from, but I'm afraid the answer is obvious.

Why would it be "not fair" to have ABC ores in C1 through C3 holes? They're actually more dangerous to mine in than the higher (and harder to access) holes. Besides, even a C1 is a -1.0 sec status, lower than the "best" of null. You already can't get mercoxit in "lower" holes which is annoying enough and makes little sense. Not fair. Get real, you'll need a better excuse then that.

As far as ice... more mining if they remove it from high sec? Seriously? C'mon, quit pulling our legs... seriously? Prices dropping? Dude, suck on the teat of reality, will you? You increase the danger in mining ices, plus you increase to a huge degree the logistics in getting ice fuels to the high sec trade hubs, plus you decrease the actual number of miners...

Ice components are the sole source of our pos fuel bill. If you actually knew anything at all about wormholes you'd realize that. All other fuels are PI fuels that I make myself. As a matter of fact, I'm solely producing them with PI so my corp can focus their PI on whatever they want. 100% of our fuel cost is in ice fuels. Credibility at this point eludes you. So yes, if my fuel costs go up dramatically due to the cost of ice getting jacked up due to it's removal from high sec then yes, my T3 products, as well as anyone else in wormholes, will go up in price to make up for it. No scare tactics. Reality.

Nerfing 0.0 has forced a lot of folks (and their alts) into hisec. Not sure why the reverse wouldn't hold.