Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Apoc will only be a long range combat ship and eliminate the enemy from range if it can fit it's high slot with Tachs.

You can get Mega Pulse II's out to 96km's with Scorch and two TC's with range bonuses.


Drop a Heat Sink from a low slot and stick in a TE and get a bit more range/tracking thrown in.



Hula - I never stated that it would be completely 100% proof at that role, just that it has that ability. A little extra cap is far better than no extra cap at all. Besides, if had the Augoror/Guardian role bonuses then it would be pointless to fly either - hence why I left it at a 10% per level increase.

Wait a second, this thread says you are balancing Amarr BSes, but after looking at those BSes I am confused, because those are not Amarrian.

Dear CCP.

I believe now for Amarr stop to post some new BS hull.

First make some release on the gun and lens.

Tachyon fitting problem and capa problem.

Also the lens now it's completely broken.

We use only multi frequency faction and t2 lens the other lens are completely unusable.

Perhaps that will be a great idea to split the lens in 4 area of range

Multifrenquency -50 % optimal 80 % EM 20 % Thermal dgm
Gamma -50 % optimal 20 % EM 80 % Thermal dgm

Xray -20 % optimal 80 % EM 20 % Thermal dgm
Ultraviolet -20 % optimal 20 % EM 80 % Thermal dgm

Standard +20 % optimal 80 % EM 20 % Thermal dgm
Infrared +20 % optimal 20 % EM 80 % Thermal dgm

Microwave +50 % optimal 80 % EM 20 % Thermal dgm
Radio +50 % optimal 20 % EM 80 % Thermal dgm

One time you have some good guns balancing and fitting (pwd/ cpu/ capa). come back with the hull

First, your comparing apples to oranges, Blasters are short range weapons, Tachyons are long range weapons. Also, they are entirely different weapon systems, one are Hybrids, the other are Energy Weapons.

If you want to talk damage application, stick within the same categories, when discussing general fitting/range, compare long range to long range, when discussing damage, weapon type to weapon type.

This pretty much will make it acceptable for Abaddon, you took 1% resist, fine you can have it
But GIVE US SOMETHING BACK INSTEAD

And the above is the best I guess (I can live up with 6 turrets if that will keep my tanky Abaddon)

Personally, I use Gamma a lot as well, so I don't think I like this idea.

If we look back, the Apocalypse was the tankier counterpart and the Armageddon the damage dealer: Before resistance changes and minor laser boosts quite some time ago it was rather common to fit the Apocalypse with projectiles, instead, and use its (then) capacitor size bonus for other purposes. At one point, Bumpageddon was possibly also a minor meme, so it might not hurt if the Armageddon was the attack battleship.

Now, looking back at this history, I at first thought about suggesting to reverse the roles for the planned Armageddon and the Apocalypse. This would make the Apocalypse a capacitor warfare focused combat battleship and the Armageddon a turret-focused attack battleship. After some further thinking, my personal suggestion for the "Amarr Battleships Mk.2" would be the following:

Abaddon (combat, eight turrets, two launchers, 8/4/7, 75m3 drone bay)
+7.5% large energy turret optimal
+5% armor HP
"The Abaddon class ship is a celestial tool of destruction. It is designed to enter combat from the outset, targeting enemies at range and firing salvo after salvo at them, and to remain intact on the battlefield until every heretic in sight has been torn to shreds."
Ooh, no need even to change the fluff! Take current Abaddon-level EHP, Apocalypse's niche as a pulse laser sniper, and mix them together. Using the armor HP bonus further differentiates this from the Rokh by making the ship have significantly more EHP, but making remote repairing less efficient. There is the slight issue of whether the damage is sufficient, possibly requiring a touch on the large energy turrets. The Abaddon thus profiles itself as the long-range, high EHP ship-of-the-line.

Apocalypse (combat, four turrets, four launchers, 8/4/6, 125m3 drone bay)
+10% drone hit points and damage
+10% energy neutralizer and energy vampire optimal range
"In days past, only those in high favor with the Emperor could hope to earn the reward of commanding one of these majestic and powerful battleships. In latter years, the Apocalypse class was superseded by the newer Abaddon class as the Empire's ship of the line. However, noting the impressive capacitor of the design, royal ship engineers repurposed the class for capacitor warfare, with the hull space freed by removing obsolete systems rededicated for drone control equipment."
This is the suggested Armageddon, except with an Apocalypse-style capacitor and an extra high slot, making it potentially even slightly better at sucking cap, perhaps with the slight issue of having less tank due to one less low slot. It has a clear profile as the capacitor warfare/drone boat. It might be a slight issue of having an eight-hardpoint drone ship, though this is partially taken care of having to deal with split, unbonused weapons.

Armageddon (attack, eight turrets, 8/3/8, 75m3 drone bay)
-10% large energy turret capacitor usage
-5% large energy turret rate of fire
(Remember that in EVE, rate of fire stat means "weapon cycle time".)
"The mighty Armageddon class is the main warship of the Amarr Empire. Its heavy armaments and strong engines are specially designed to crash into any battle like a juggernaut and deliver swift justice in the name of the Emperor."
Only a slight change to the fluff, and little change to the hull (faster, less drones, more pewpew). The main niche for the ship is that it is now the highest-damage Amarr battleship, and also the only one capable of sustained laser fire without compromising the fit otherwise.

The large energy turret capable T1 ships thus can be categorized as follows:
- Considering DPS, Armageddon comes first, followed by the Oracle and then by the Abaddon
- Considering alpha, Oracle is the best with Abaddon and Armageddon being equal (except for Abaddon being able to use higher-damage crystals... if it has the cap to do so)
- Considering range, Abaddon and Oracle have more than the Armageddon.
- Considering tank, Abaddon rules supreme, followed by tank-fit Armageddon, with Oracle being quite flimsy.
- Considering agility, Oracle is the best choice, followed by a nano-fit Armageddon, with Abaddon being sluggish.
With this arrangement, the Navy Armageddon becomes "a better Armageddon" whereas the Navy Apocalypse becomes "a better Abaddon", if kept as-is (or with minor changes to the Navy Armageddon - dare I hope for Navy Omen style RoF bonus?).

Heya Wrayeth.

They adjusted the cap up in the Apoc yesterday, so that aspect got better. I think we'd be better off tweaking the recharge rate (if now needed) and seeing what they do with lasers in general (as they've been hinting) than losing the tracking bonus to get the cap bonus back. Laser tracking is one of the weapons systems main weaknesses, and getting a ship that negates that is a refreshing change.

The necessity on most Amarr ships to devote one bonus to cap use has irritated people, well, forever. If CCP are beginning to explore ways around that, I fully support it... as long as we are not simply left hanging, and I don't think that is the over all intention.

Personally I'll spend my time hounding them to do their laser tweaking in a timely fashion, and nudging them about basic cap recharge rates (which for Amarr should be higher than the norm, and allows other races to continue to struggle to use lasers effectively).

With fully respect to points of view otherwise, the point made about Tach's being intended to be unique over-sized weapons is correct. The intention was that if you were going to fit them, you were going to have to basically gear your whole setup around mounting and providing cap for them... tanking would no longer be an option for you.

The only question is that with the slow inclusion of new ships, and various balance changes, does that concept still hold water or is it time for a change? I'm thinking that this is one of the main things they want to examine in beam lasers, as well as other generic traits across the whole laser weapon spectrum.