Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And your posting basically defines you as the greatest butthurt in the forum. Please stop perturbing proper discussions.

butthurt whinematard ...

oh and some matar say the typhoon is just a weaker raven, rly? have you even looked at the stats?

I don't care what you think about tiericide or balance, but you guys really missed the point of the Typhoon. I won't try to justify myself with game design theory(although I may later), but for now I want you to listen to my story.

Almost 4 years ago I started my journey in Eve. I had read about the coming Apocrypha expansion and was completely entranced by the idea of the "wild west" of New Eden's w-space. Who wasn't? We've all watched Firefly(or should have). I'd been jumping from MMO to MMO for years, having started with WoW but lost interest surprisingly quickly. Something about it felt gimmicky, and it barely retained my attention past the second year, which is rather notoriously short for an MMO. Nothing stuck.

But Eve was something different. Almost immediately upon logging in I was overwhelmed with options and possibilities. I tried it all. Mining, Missions, failfit PvP, Exploration. It was all new and engaging. But I had a goal. I was going to move to w-space eventually. It was going to happen. So with sleepers in my sights, I started to plan for the long term. I knew I needed to master scanning, and exploration was a natural stepping stone. But exploration alone wouldn't teach me how to be ruthless and survive in eve. I fell in with ninjas and starting using my scanning skills for theft. New as I was, I was unfit for combat. I had to evade or speed tank mission runners who shot at me, as I had no ships to come back with and kill them.

At the same time, I started venturing out into lowsec for exploration. Some of the complexes I couldn't do in a hurricane or cyclone, as my skills were simply too low and I had much to learn. I spent some time wandering between projects. I got my feet wet. I got shot and killed a few times. I learned how to adapt and outwit a better armed opponent, who came at me in large numbers.

But when all was said and done, it was one ship that truly propelled me forward on my path: The Typhoon. Even with my abysmal skills the ship was a monster. My damage was lackluster as I had all T1 weapon systems, T1 tank modules, and couldn't even field a full flight of drones. But it's flexibility and the sheer tankiness of it even without the appropriate skills allowed me to prevail. My first mission runner kill was in a Typhoon. Most of my first complexes I cleared were in a Typhoon.

I used my Typhoon as an all-in-one exploration boat in Highsec. I used it in Lowsec, carrying extra fitting modules in my hold, and using it's surprisingly good tank and agility to evade certain death at the hand of gatecamps. Did I get popped in low? Absolutely, but these things happen. I learned how to manage isk and avoid risk because of it. When I started w-space, it was in a hurricane, then a cyclone.

But the Typhoon was the ship that finally changed my day trips into something more. When I launched my first tower, a medium minmatar tower in a little class 2, I cleared all my sites in a typhoon. It was t1 fit, with T2 tank modules at the time. I could field a full flight of drones though, so it wasn't all bad. When I started looking at my C3 static enviously, I wasn't sure how to approach it. Flying a T3 was still at least 6-8 months away, and I simply wasn't wealthy enough to risk that kind of isk in a system I wasn't familiar with.

I had invited two other players along in my w-space ventures. One an IRL friend who incidentally had gotten into Eve around the same time as me. She didn't play much. Another former ninja who shared my fascination with sleeprs. Equally noobish, we devised a clever fitting that would allow us to finally break into C3 sites without laying down 600 million isk. We ran an RR sentry Domi and an RR sentry phoon. Whoever was primaried would active local rep while the secondary used RR. When they switched targets, local rep would power down and RR would come online. It was only cap stable running one of the two rep systems, but with this balanced system, we effectively ran a 2 man spider rep fleet. Once again, It was not a drake, or a cyclone, or even a Loki that carried me into the next step in my journey. I made the jump in a Typhoon.


CCP, hear my plea. If there is any ship undeserving of these changes, any ship that is more worthy of it's current status and title, it's the Typhoon. Typhoon was more than just a status symbol to bittervets with too many skill points. The ship is still among the most flexible battleships even at low skillpoints, and it's versatility helped many new players like myself to truly embrace the minmatar lifestyle. I've done more things in more different regions and playstyles of eve with my Typhoon than most players do with all their ships combined. To change it to a mere Attack Ship is to lose the very essence of it. It's more than skill points and epeens. It symbolizes the rugged adaptability and will to survive that has defined the Minmatar playstyle since the earliest days of Eve. Noobs and Vets alike have relied on this ship for a decade now. Take every other ship we have, but please leave the Typhoon as it is.

Epic story, love it :)

Typhoon:

Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+5% bonus to Cruise and Torpedo launcher and Large Projectile Turret rate of fire
+5% bonus to Cruise and Torpedo launcher and Large Projectile Turret damage

Slot layout: 7H, 5M, 7L; 5 turrets (+5) , 5 launchers (-1)
Fittings: 12500 PWG, 640 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 6750 (+250) / 7500 (+1500) / 7500 (+1500)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second) : 5400 / 1087s / 4.97
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 120 (-10) / .12 (+0.1) / 103600000 / 17.18s (+1.38)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 (+25) / 250 (+150)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 65km / 115 / 7
Sensor strength: 20 Ladar Sensor Strength (+1)
Signature radius: 380 (+30)

Why on earth not do the same you did for the hull that will be the new phoon in the cruiser class, the once puny Scythe, and give it the +10% damage to missiles and projectiles? It is the most elegant solution to the duel-weapon issue,

[quote=Kagura Nikon]Nobody is saying the new Typhoon is unbalanced. The issue is that it doesn't fit minmatar. At all. I would rather we have a weaker ship and retain our racial identity than a stronger ship that is generic and boring.

That's one of the best Typhoon layouts I've seen in this thread yet. I'd even support the loss of another high if it could be made 6H; 6 Turrets, 6 launchers (a total wildcard).

I think they should go with something like this for the Typhoon. If the DPS is still a bit low by removing the launcher hardpoint then you could always increase the rate of fire bonus to 7.5%

This way the Typhoon still can fully utilise all 3 weapon systems, including a decently sized drone bay, and does not simply become and armoured Raven.

Typhoon:

Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonuses:
5% bonus to Cruise and Torpedo launcher rate of fire
5% bonus to Cruise and Torpedo launcher explosion velocity

Slot layout: 7H, 5M, 7L; 5 turrets, 5 launchers (-1)
Fittings: 12500 PWG, 640 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 6500 / 6000 / 6000
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second) : 5400 / 1087s / 4.97
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 130 / .11 / 103600000 / 15.8
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 (+25) / 200 (+100)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 65km / 115 / 7
Sensor strength: 19 Ladar Sensor Strength
Signature radius: 330