Player Features and Ideas Discussion

How about giving us back our ship that had a damage bonus and a cap bonus?

One ship had an almost unnoticable nerf.
One ship had a bonus designed to make it a perfect kiting vessel, and if beams are looked at an excellent sniping vessel.
One ship was possibly made over powered in close range combat.

Not really seeing the genocide.

So the Apoc with a quickly thrown together fit (for PvP) with the new stats plugged into EFT. I'm not sold on this fit its just a quick one to have some solid numbers to toy with:

[Apocalypse, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Tracking Enhancer II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Hammerhead II x5
plus a set of lights or whatever

This fit requires a 2% CPU implant. So this produces a 908 m/s ship (MWD on, no heat). It has 96K EHP, 132K with Legion boosts. (no implants). It has 520 DPS (just guns) w/ scorch out to 68+12 kms with a tracking of .047. (A Mega gets around .066, though obviously its range is vastly inferior). With heat 598. What's this mean? An example would be a MWDing caracal standard fit going say 2100m/s with FULL transversal will get hit with near 80-100% damage in a range envelope from about 40 out to max optimal.(higher damage the closer to 60 you get) That is not too damn shabby. Its gets even better should the poor caracal start loosing transveral. then it gets really nasty. Oh as far as CAP goes? 3m 35sec everything running. MWD off? 100% stable until you run out of charges. You could add some drone damage here but with some logi support this will be a beast.

Oh with multifreq you get 651dps at 23+12km oh but wait add medium drones. Heat it and total max dps around 900 with tracking at .06 with a multifreq. Impressive. Not seeing any cap issue here.

EDIT: It stays 72% stable even with 1 heavy neut applied to it. 2 heavy nuets and now your down to 4 minutes. Looks very nice.

As for mission running stuff, well no idea on Amarr mission boats.

So pull a 'Dominix' on it and add one. Put the 7.5 per level bonuses together and add the damage bonus required to free up the slots and do more with the allocation of 19.

Hey well, it seems these folks don't want the new Geddon, CCP Rise. It's not too late to smuggle this ship over to the gall thread! You bring the tractor beams, I'll bring the paint buckets.

So the Abaddon with the new changes into EFT: not much different here. Still pretty nice.

[Abaddon, Close in!]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Faint Warp Disruptor I
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Drones to flavor

So its 98% stable as long as your burning Cap boosters and MWD off, which with its range is certainly possible to do some pulsing and such as is common. EHP is now just 159K with zero bonuses. Regular fleet bonus is 172K. With full legion then its 226K ehp. (no slaves or any of that plugged in.) yes this is with the 4%. Clearly the end of the world.

DPS is still 650 with scorch out to 52+13. Unheated, no drones. Really no change here form the old boat. So still sounds like the gold standard though I really like that range/tracking on the APOC. You plug in damage transveral on almost any engagement and in most cases the APOC will actually apply much more damage due to its tracking capability. So its just all food for thought. The 8th lowslot on the Mega really just makes up for the almost always present Explosive Hardener to plug the hole in Gal boats which this boat doesn't have to worry about. This boat still out tanks, out ranges the Mega as its always done. Though I for one agree, I think it should have retained the 5%.

But...you said that they should save up for a navy geddon. And the numbers for the new Apoc don't fit the bill; if you want to use tech II scorch (hardly noob level, but noob capacitor will be worse.) You won't be stable running just your lasers, and that's before heat sinks/armor repairer(s).

The Abaddon can't fill the role for much the same reason the the Apoc can't: Capacitor.

The Apoc will have an easier time reaching that level, but "easier" is relative here. Ideally, it would be possible for multiple ships to be used ( a la gallente, caldari, and minmatar) for ratting, otherwise this whole "Tiericide" will be for naught, if mission runners only want to buy Apocs, and don't touch the Geddon/Abaddon.

Scorch, Scrambler and web? And 96k eHP brawler? Just not enough, not even nearly.

If someone have to be, make it that brick Abaddon, not the Armageddon, which already have it's role, and it is THAT role, and she's doing it well.
I just see no reason to screw people, who already using a specific ship for specific role, and tell them to get the **** off and buy something else for the SAME role they were actually good at. And that argument is before the overall impression of the hulls.

I think you are confusing me with someone else. I have nothing against Navy issue ships but I personally don't expect a new player to invest in one.

However I do expect a new player wanting to fly Amarr to skill up their cap skills and then laser skills as quickly as possible, certainly before they decide to bring a BS with them to do their missions in.