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Dev Blog: In the Navy: Changes to Navy Ships in Odyssey

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rhygos
The Dead Rabbit Society
#61 - 2013-04-10 17:24:51 UTC
You're fukin da whole game!

@Rhygos
Cass Lie
State War Academy
Caldari State
#62 - 2013-04-10 17:26:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Cass Lie
mynnna wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Drake's going to be a bit tough to fit as people "expect" to be able to fit one. Guess they'll have to just man up and think outside the double LSE box. Blink


With increased speed and velocity bonus, it just screams PODLA to me.


Not an accident Big smile


What the heck is PODLA? Ugh

PODLA drake is a nanoed version meant for heavy duty kiting (in the pre Tier 3 BC age). A soon-to-be colleague of yours has a fit.
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#63 - 2013-04-10 17:28:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
Initial gut reply: "goodbye balance, hello OP bullshit."
after reading the proposed ideas: "hmm, interesting, not overpowered but actually a sidestep rather than a direct upgrade"

I approve.

- edit -

Some will be used more than others; like that drake for instance (as mentioned above, 8 launchers seems a bit much), the Brutix and Harb I'm not so sure about.
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#64 - 2013-04-10 17:30:02 UTC
ZOMG that Drake! *-* screams Flexibility on a leven never before seem!

just 1 more thing... cannot modify the bonus to affect rapid fire launchers too, pretty please...*-*
m3talc0re X
The Motley Crew of Disorder
The Gorram Shiney Alliance
#65 - 2013-04-10 17:31:03 UTC
CCP finally makes navy battlecruisers. Kleenex stock jumps 50 points today...
S1dy
Uplifting Infernal Paradise
#66 - 2013-04-10 17:31:40 UTC
I have the strange feeling that CCP is missing the consistency in this Navy Battlecruisers. There should be Prophecy, Brutix, Ferox and Cyclone as faction variants. That would correlate with the NPC Faction Ships in Missions/Anomalies/Sites/Belts/where ever else. I've never seen a Navy Drake in any NPC fleet...

And while I'm at the critics, it's really lame to take the old Hurricane and implement it as the new Navy variant, really innovative... At least you did a better job with the other 3 Battlecruisers Roll
Aiko Hanomaa
Doomheim
#67 - 2013-04-10 17:31:57 UTC
I think I came a little.
The Sinister
Interbellum
#68 - 2013-04-10 17:32:28 UTC
I am a bit confused here:

Scythe Fleet Issue: this is our attempt to redeem the old Minmatar tradition of split weapon systems. Instead of forcing two separate weapon types this ship has a choice between two equally valid weapon options. It has been changed to have 5 launchers and 5 turrets, with a 10% bonus to medium projectile turret rate of fire and 10% bonus to missile damage per level. Since these bonuses have twice the strength of the bonuses the ship would receive normally, it effectively has four weapon bonuses, two of which can be used at a time. This will allow the Fleet Scythe to have an exceptional element of surprise as opponents will never know what to expect until they see the ship arrive on the field of battle.

Mentions 5 Launchers or 5 Turrets yet in this other forum says diferent.

Scythe Fleet Issue: This is my attempt to redeem the Minmatar split weapons tradition. Instead of forcing both weapon systems it gives both as viable choices.
Cruiser skill bonuses:
10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret rate of fire
10% bonus to Missile damage
Slot layout: 5(-1) H, 5(+1) M, 5(+2) L, 4(+1) Turrets, 4(+1) Launchers
Fittings: 745 PWG, 400(+125) CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 2400(+1000) / 1950(+910) / 1950(+730)
Shield Recharge Time: 1250s(-100)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1275(+213) / 425s(+43.75) / 3(+0.2)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 280(+10) / 0.44 / 10910000 / 6.65s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 25
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 50km(+12.5) / 345 / 7
Sensor strength: 16(+3) Ladar
Signature radius: 90
Cargo capacity: 440

Was that a mistake?
BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#69 - 2013-04-10 17:33:30 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Yea could you explain why other factions bc will be equivalent of tier2 and only Gallente have tier1 not tier2, there has be a reason ?


What are these tiers you speak of? Some relic of a bygone age lost to time?


Im used to tiers, it will take some time for me get used to the new clasification.

So is there a reason ? Blink


We went with the ships we considered to be the most "iconic" BCs for each race. There was lots of internal debate about Brutix vs Myrm but Brutix won out.


Wha?!? How is that even a contest :( The myrm is -clearly- the most iconic battlecruiser in the Gallente line up. I'm not angry though CCP, just dissapinted in all of you :(
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#70 - 2013-04-10 17:34:46 UTC
The Sinister wrote:
I am a bit confused here:

Scythe Fleet Issue: this is our attempt to redeem the old Minmatar tradition of split weapon systems. Instead of forcing two separate weapon types this ship has a choice between two equally valid weapon options. It has been changed to have 5 launchers and 5 turrets, with a 10% bonus to medium projectile turret rate of fire and 10% bonus to missile damage per level. Since these bonuses have twice the strength of the bonuses the ship would receive normally, it effectively has four weapon bonuses, two of which can be used at a time. This will allow the Fleet Scythe to have an exceptional element of surprise as opponents will never know what to expect until they see the ship arrive on the field of battle.

Mentions 5 Launchers or 5 Turrets yet in this other forum says diferent.

Scythe Fleet Issue: This is my attempt to redeem the Minmatar split weapons tradition. Instead of forcing both weapon systems it gives both as viable choices.
Cruiser skill bonuses:
10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret rate of fire
10% bonus to Missile damage
Slot layout: 5(-1) H, 5(+1) M, 5(+2) L, 4(+1) Turrets, 4(+1) Launchers
Fittings: 745 PWG, 400(+125) CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 2400(+1000) / 1950(+910) / 1950(+730)
Shield Recharge Time: 1250s(-100)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1275(+213) / 425s(+43.75) / 3(+0.2)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 280(+10) / 0.44 / 10910000 / 6.65s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 25
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 50km(+12.5) / 345 / 7
Sensor strength: 16(+3) Ladar
Signature radius: 90
Cargo capacity: 440

Was that a mistake?


Yup that's a typo in the blog. 4 is correct.

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The Sinister
Interbellum
#71 - 2013-04-10 17:35:49 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
The Sinister wrote:
I am a bit confused here:

Scythe Fleet Issue: this is our attempt to redeem the old Minmatar tradition of split weapon systems. Instead of forcing two separate weapon types this ship has a choice between two equally valid weapon options. It has been changed to have 5 launchers and 5 turrets, with a 10% bonus to medium projectile turret rate of fire and 10% bonus to missile damage per level. Since these bonuses have twice the strength of the bonuses the ship would receive normally, it effectively has four weapon bonuses, two of which can be used at a time. This will allow the Fleet Scythe to have an exceptional element of surprise as opponents will never know what to expect until they see the ship arrive on the field of battle.

Mentions 5 Launchers or 5 Turrets yet in this other forum says diferent.

Scythe Fleet Issue: This is my attempt to redeem the Minmatar split weapons tradition. Instead of forcing both weapon systems it gives both as viable choices.
Cruiser skill bonuses:
10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret rate of fire
10% bonus to Missile damage
Slot layout: 5(-1) H, 5(+1) M, 5(+2) L, 4(+1) Turrets, 4(+1) Launchers
Fittings: 745 PWG, 400(+125) CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 2400(+1000) / 1950(+910) / 1950(+730)
Shield Recharge Time: 1250s(-100)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1275(+213) / 425s(+43.75) / 3(+0.2)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 280(+10) / 0.44 / 10910000 / 6.65s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 25
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 50km(+12.5) / 345 / 7
Sensor strength: 16(+3) Ladar
Signature radius: 90
Cargo capacity: 440

Was that a mistake?


Yup that's a typo in the blog. 4 is correct.


God Damit man i was having a hard on with that one you completely ruined my day LOL
Lord Fudo
Doomheim
#72 - 2013-04-10 17:36:15 UTC
Mascha Tzash wrote:
Why not a Nyrmidon?
Why a "Nrutix"?

It would be so much easyer to talk about it.

1. Nutrix looks better.
2. Nutrix sounds better.
3. CCP will redesign the Myrim hull to be non-vertical eventually. So navy version doesnt make sense at this time.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#73 - 2013-04-10 17:36:47 UTC
Thelonious Blake wrote:
Gallente should have navy faction Myrmidon instead of Brutix.



That would tread on the toes of the Guristas BC Blink

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#74 - 2013-04-10 17:39:41 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Drake's going to be a bit tough to fit as people "expect" to be able to fit one. Guess they'll have to just man up and think outside the double LSE box. Blink


It's not a Drake, it's a cerb with good Alpha

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
The Sinister
Interbellum
#75 - 2013-04-10 17:47:58 UTC
Also i would like to point out that this is a lie.

Since these bonuses have twice the strength of the bonuses the ship would receive normally, it effectively has four weapon bonuses, two of which can be used at a time.

Its actually 3 bonuses a Double bonus to turrets and a single bonus to Launchers because THIS is not a double bonus:

10% bonus to missile damage per level.

That bonus with 4 launchers its not a viable missile boat.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#76 - 2013-04-10 17:49:36 UTC
Mascha Tzash wrote:
Why not a Nyrmidon?
Why a "Nrutix"?

It would be so much easyer to talk about it.
Federal navy brutix — so it's a Frutix (fruitix?), obviously. P
Razul Ora'mac
Amarrian Special Forces
#77 - 2013-04-10 17:57:03 UTC
A white Harb with black rally stripes... Cool killing stuff in style...

Ps. brb, gotta run ALL the missions for that much LP...
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#78 - 2013-04-10 17:59:54 UTC
Marcel Devereux wrote:
How about making all the navy ships FW only? It would give FW something special other than the current faction BS and datacores.


With those LP costs, very few people are going to be making them with non-FW LP

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ravcharas
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#79 - 2013-04-10 18:03:36 UTC
So the old cane was priced at one sixth it's game design value?
wallenbergaren
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2013-04-10 18:19:54 UTC
Is there a mistake with the LP store prices?
It says the FW one is 125k LP + 10m while the regular store is 250k LP + 100m