Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm using Armageddon for missions, because, quite frankly, it's more efficient at it, than Abaddon.

Abaddon is an X-Large sized Punisher, that is what its role is about

The Abaddon has a very clearly defined role: Reduce everything in range to ash and still stand at the end of the fight.

Megathron isn't cap stable when using 425mm Rails.
Additionally, when using Tachs, get a Navypoc, seriously.

Here we are talking about t1 hulls , and this one require 30% mods on its main fit stat just to end with crap dps
( nothing compared to a Oracle/Naga performances on sniping damage )
Sure a day even the faction one will be changed in the same way
( or you want to be able to be "tackled" from your t1 hull with an AB because of 37,5% traking bonus ?? )
A Mega even if no cap stable will run MWD and a neut with a cap booster running...

Hula

The problem with this change (even with the 'fix') that still the amarr is left without ANY viable PvE ship for new L4 runners. Armageddon? I don't see how that can work, I don't even like using drones (or i'd train Gallente). I've got MAX cap skill, BS 4 and controlled burst 4 and I feel that i'm a little dry on the cap.

I understand that there are PvP balancing requirements, but please leave ONE battleship for the noobies.

While I'm ok. with the abaddon change, the other two I have some concerns about.

Apoc:
It has powergrid issues. Tachyons take up an enormous amount of PG and a ship that needs 2+ fitting rigs just to do it's role (sniping battleship) has something wrong with it. With the advent of the MJD, sniping bs's need tank as it's easy enough for a fleet to land on you. Tachyons and/or the apoc hull are still inferior in many ways for sniping in relation to other hulls. Can it be good at something? The tracking is a nice passive bonus to damage application.

Geddon: I think the drones are fine, it's a logical step up from the arbitrator to the prophecy to this. What i'm concerned about is how much it's going to hurt the role of the curse. This has more tank, more dps, it neuts more, and has equal range. The curse has its niche, but in many smaller fleets I see this as being the new neuting platform. This will be used differently, make no mistake, as it's not a cruiser hull, but neuts have traditionally been a faction/t2 bonus. As you can tell, i'm undecided about it.

I think looking at the drones (as mentioned on the gallente post) will be great. No matter what, this ship is going to be very scary to fight it fit well.
I very much like the 4th mid slot, but this was also our only 8 slot battleship...you've gone and given that to the gallente, which makes me very sad.

Navy Armageddon is 3 times more expensive than T1 Armageddon
If a new player lost it he will just sit and cry over it

Heh, for some reason my posts keep disappearing (or at least I'm not able to find them).

So continuing in the same vein; because the Amarr strength is it's weakness: cap use. I'm not sure 7 capacitor/sec avg recharge is enough, but read to the end, first look at the numbers I crunched. The only program I run is EFT, which only shows the max recharge; and includes skills. I'm assuming the max recharge is about double the average (approximately) and that the skills (approximately) double that max recharge.

This gives the current iteration of the Apoc approximately 28 cap/sec, and it's an impressive number. And it works, because the meta 4, cap efficient pulse lasers give a -3.4 cap per one, times eight, for 27.2. Awesome. My Apoc, will all skills level 5, a solid 40 days of training for capacitor skills alone (there might be more) Can fire the meta 4s without running dry, provided I'm not doing anything else. (Tech II's are substantially worse, though as an edit I realized I was using Multifreq, things do get better with, say, standard crystals, for the meta 1-4 guns)


To be honest, a lot of this comes down to armor tanking, which uses up a whopping -35 cap/sec. Per repper. Remember the Hyperion freak out? That was because armor reppers use up more cap than anything else (besides a rack of Tachs). For the Gallente, it's the only thing they have to worry about. Sorry, but a full rack of rails on a mega brings the cap stab down to 55%-, compared to damn near 0 on the adjusted Apoc. I know, the mega has 7 vs 8, but the mega also has a bonus to rate of fire, giving it effectively more turrets. And if mega's are fitted with blasters, that's even better, as blasters use up even less.

I suppose the Apoc doesn't have to be a mission ship. But it was the stepping stone, not just because price, but because of skills. You got an Apoc because the Abaddon was easy to lose if you capped it out. I had someone message me they dual repped the Abaddon with low skills by using deadspace mods. But that's the issue: you have to use deadspace mods, which vastly increase the price of the ship- even more than you're lowering it by, if prices do indeed fall (If only one ship is usable for level 4 missions, supply/demand might mean they don't change that much).

I feel there should be a way to fix this without simply buffing capacitor, but that'd require addressing either the bonuses, armor mechanics, or lasers themselves. A fit doesn't have to be cap stable. But I also shouldn't need to run deadspace modules for a level 4 mission. Just take a good, hard look, and give the Amarrian pilots an entry level ship for mission running, and I'll be happy. But right now, I don't see it.

So now the faction with the strongest (lore-wise) armor tank has lost the only 8 low bs in the game, I guess its because this thread doesn´t had enough ragequit, insults and all that stuff compared with gallente´s one.

It's that the way this it's gonna work from now?