Player Features and Ideas Discussion

For what it is worth, I would go for something similar to this on both ships. Perhaps some additional alterations could be made to the Tempest to make it a little more agile, but that would come with a further reduction in HP. Changes from the proposals are in bold.

[EDIT - UPDATED]


Tempest:

Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret rate of fire
+5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret damage

Slot layout: 8H, 5M, 6L; 6 turrets , 4 launchers
Fittings: 16000 PWG, 550 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 6900 (-100) / 6900 (-400) / 6500 (-300)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second) : 5400 / 1154s / 4.68
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 130 (+10) / .11 (-0.1) / 101050000 / ??
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 75 / 75
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 67.5km / 100 / 7
Sensor strength: 20 Ladar Sensor Strength
Signature radius: 350 (-10)


Typhoon:

Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonuses:
5% bonus to Cruise and Torpedo launcher rate of fire
5% bonus to Cruise and Torpedo launcher explosion velocity

Slot layout: 7H, 5M, 7L; 5 turrets, 5 launchers (-1)
Fittings: 12500 PWG, 640 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 6500 / 6000 / 6000
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second) : 5400 / 1087s / 4.97
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 130 / .11 / 103600000 / 15.8
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 (+25) / 200 (+100)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 65km / 115 / 7
Sensor strength: 19 Ladar Sensor Strength
Signature radius: 330

I wanted to remove a launcher hard point without diminishing dps too much, so adding a 25% damage bonus in return for the explosion velocity seemed the best way. Remember you would lose 20% damage anyway by removing a launcher hardpoint.

I think the Typhoon needs the two extra utility slots though, then it can fit two unbonused projectile turrets, or somthing else such as RR's for instance. One just isn't enough.

As for the Tempest, I do agree with you, but it seems with the Typhoon filling the niche quite nicely now of the fastest BS, is there anything wrong with Minmatar still having slightly more tanky ship but still with respectable speed and signature. At least its not the awful mini Maelstrom we had in the original proposals.

Many thanks for listening - its actually a credit to the devs for doing this - must be hell to trawl all our crap in 4 threads.

On Pest. Liking it. Actually liking it a lot.

On Phoon. Loving it, 125 dronebay size would make it perfect. Dont overpower it with more dronebay though - indeed a lot of the ships proposed that have 100/100 limitations suffer from that 'cant use it all - need some lights'.

And back to T1 BS Racial Ewar.

Caldari - check
Amarr - check
Gallente - ??
Minmatar - ??

Is there a reason why not? - For Gallente, point range - something small - not overwhelming, but useful overheated to let the blap machine get in and kill. Minmatar, web range - again small, or even the 'dreaded' painting bonus ... would even things up.

At the moment - a small ship cannot tackle a Scorp - the Ewar wins always. Now the Amarr get the same thing. Two races get ships that are incredibly difficult to tackle ...

Again - a reason why its limited to Amarr and Caldari?

Yep, pretty similar to how I would do it too. I don't want the high removed though, the Tempest should have two high utility slots for unbonused missiles or nuets or something similar.

If the last one was perhaps a little OP, then something like this may be better. Your losing 20% of the missile damage by removing a launcher hardpoint, but then your gaining an extra unbonused projectile turret which you can fit, and also a little more dps from the extra 25m3 drone bandwidth.

Also this would really use all the skills from the minmatar pilot if they want it maxed out just like the current Typhoon.

Typhoon:

Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonuses:
5% bonus to Cruise and Torpedo launcher rate of fire
5% bonus to Cruise and Torpedo launcher explosion velocity

Slot layout: 7H, 5M, 7L; 5 turrets, 5 launchers (-1)
Fittings: 12500 PWG, 640 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 6500 / 6000 / 6000
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second) : 5400 / 1087s / 4.97
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 130 / .11 / 103600000 / 15.8
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 (+25) / 200 (+100)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 65km / 115 / 7
Sensor strength: 19 Ladar Sensor Strength
Signature radius: 330

the advantage is massivlely nerfed,that means it still has advatage -> so still med projectiles are the best
and why large arty is prefered over rails and beams? oh wait cause metagame...

oh and that killmails isnt performance of a ship is not true at all
good ships used more , more used ships will be on more killmails
hml nerf --> drake drop in usage --> less drakes in killmails
if you cant see that you are just ignorant
and what is this bs metagame accept certain roles? should these somehow balanced out ? isnt ccp balanceing now to make long forgotten ships used in the new meta? when one race dominates meta such as matar there is a huge problem

i tell u something , matar is constantly finetuned to be the best in the metagame, or the metagame is changed to prefer matar
like nerfing ecm boosting sensor strenghts , probe mechanism , projectile rebalance, even the old speed nerf hurted gall more than matar etc.

what i see is that matar fanboys want everything, they whine if their ship is not the fastest and point out that speed is matar doctrine , but they then instantly whine if their ships somehow less tanky or has worse weapons , suddenly matar style doesnt needed as it would make them less prefered, how many of you pointed out that these ships doesnt need better sensor strength, and or longer targetin ranges? none

see you are all -------, wanting to be matar the best race,
having everything giving up nothing thats what matar fanboys motto is




Post edited for inflammatory language, If you cannot say it maturely...don't say it.

You are very limited if you cannot understand reality. Therefore I will waste my time posting only once more. Ship presence in killmails are not direclty related to performace. They would only if all ships had same skill requirements and same cost. Also peopel do not sop usign ships that thye had trained as soon as the ships are nerfed, therefor takes at least 1 year for a nerf to effect the killboards completely.


Also blindness cannot see that pulses are as good as AC and that balsters are also very good. The current issue is that no one wants to commit to clsoe range therefore reducign blasters usability. But that is not blasters fault. You coudl increase their dps by 3 fold and the problem would remain. That problem is because of current tacklign range that is too large, not turret issue.


The sensor strenght were buffed on ALL races. Because its a CPC atatck on ECM. Nothign related to minamtar. Leave your fanboyism hatred outside this thread. You are full of prejudice and unable to see things clearly.


I will let you digest that information because more could be too much for you to understand. Now let the people that understand a bit more continue the proper discussion.

it has guns. Check it. Just they lsot their bonus since most of the typhoon firepower cam from the torpedoes anyway. Its indeed a massive boost to the typhoon.

7 mids??? I'm not seeing that happen at all :-)
7/6/6 could really be interesting (a nice surprise fitting wise).

I would be happy with just 5 more speed and maybe a slight tuning in agility / hitpoints.

It would go from 8/5/6 to 7/6/6 unless I'm missing something.

Either way, additional speed and agility is needed if it's to remain armour centric.