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Incursion griefing getting kicked into high gear

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Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#41 - 2011-10-30 20:47:59 UTC
200 m and I'll be happy to give off aggro in carmelos' fleets Big smile
bloomeh
Stormy Riders
#42 - 2011-10-31 07:20:31 UTC
I know nothing of incursions, being a simple worm hole miner. I'm curious how you are able to gank them in high sec. If they are random fleets, not all in the same alliance, it seems like war decs won't work. What's the secret here? I may throw in my pvp alt to join in the fun!

\o
Bilbo Bawbag
New Eden Robotics
#43 - 2011-10-31 10:50:39 UTC
Just out of interest, how does this form of greifing work?
Mace Ormond
Doomheim
#44 - 2011-10-31 11:32:45 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Now, I don't like highsec Incursions. It's not that we think less of incursionbears than we do of, say, mission-bears. It's that incursions in high sec pay too damn much. It's basically some of the best money in the game outside of owning a tech moon and therefore all kinds of people are just sitting in highsec doing those, rather than doing something more creative or going out to null or whatever. In our opinion, it's a stagnating influence.


An interesting point of view, and one that I see many of the C&P locals seem to approve of. I wonder how many people know how much of a dichotomy it is with what you guys really do.

It seems you boys want to build yourselves up a name as bad boy griefers, but of course are less forthcoming about all of being funded by high sec carebearing through your incursion and industry corporations.

Of course, to anyone interested in griefing these griefers, Corporate Catering has all the info on their alts, so drop me a mail.

Bon Appetite!
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#45 - 2011-10-31 12:48:23 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
Mace Ormond wrote:
It seems you boys want to build yourselves up a name as bad boy griefers, but of course are less forthcoming about all of being funded by high sec carebearing through your incursion and industry corporations.


I have never in my life run an incursion, and I abandoned any pretense of industry a long time ago.

What money doesn't come from the wrecks of our targets, I get through wormhole exploration. That can pay about as well as highsec incursions, only you're operating in nullsec without a local channel list.

So much for your theories.

edit: Here's my take on Incursions. They make as much isk as I did running wormholes, but in the safety of highsec. They are wrecking the value loyalty points, making the game harder for casual mission runners who don't have the time to chase incursions and put together fleets (no I don't do missions either) in what time they have to play. They are creating a steady stream of stuff going into the market without much being taken out, resulting in general inflation.

Incursions NEED to be more dangerous, because as they stand now they are just isk printers driving up the price of everything and hurting everyone who isn't being an incursion bear (except maybe the self-sufficient wormhole corps).

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Mace Ormond
Doomheim
#46 - 2011-10-31 13:31:55 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:

I have never in my life run an incursion, and I abandoned any pretense of industry a long time ago.

What money doesn't come from the wrecks of our targets, I get through wormhole exploration. That can pay about as well as highsec incursions, only you're operating in nullsec without a local channel list.

So much for your theories.


This may be true. Your other character, Floppietheminingclown (love your originality by the way) could indeed be a wormhole explorer. It matters not. I'm talking about your wider corporation, not you in particular and I have no sympathy for your economic lamentations.

Your CEO does have these other carebear corporations I'm talking about, and that's not a theory. Ask him about the high sec POS he lost a few weeks ago. It's location was provided to certain parties courtesy of Corporate Catering.

Of course, it's just business at the end of the day and should you kids require a bespoke buffet of your own, I'll see what I can cook up.
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2011-10-31 14:31:19 UTC
It would be foolish of us not to use all the tools available to us in the same way that we have neutral logi available even though I believe that neutral logi not getting aggression for repping people sucks as a mechanic.

Besides that, I'm not arguing for the elimination of incursions. Honestly, it's neat content. I mean the whole constellation slightly changes color and gets invaded by spike-covered zombies? That's cool. I am argueing that the isk-to-risk ratio needs to be changed.

Also, you're forgetting the other major reason we're doing what we're doing: We want to. Even if it didn't have these secondary effects that we are really pleased about we would probably still do it.

Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity
Odemis
Death By Design
#48 - 2011-10-31 14:45:02 UTC
I for one have petitioned Blizzard many times to have these heathens dealt with. It's clearly a broken game mechanic that allows these "Skunkworks" people to do what they do and Blizzard won't do a thing about it. I've searched the archives in Stormwind for some form inspiration on how to deal with these pests only to have the librarian quiet me down. I guess I get a bit animated when boats are violenced in high-sec.
Mace Ormond
Doomheim
#49 - 2011-10-31 15:05:30 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:
It would be foolish of us not to use all the tools available to us in the same way that we have neutral logi available even though I believe that neutral logi not getting aggression for repping people sucks as a mechanic.

Besides that, I'm not arguing for the elimination of incursions. Honestly, it's neat content. I mean the whole constellation slightly changes color and gets invaded by spike-covered zombies? That's cool. I am argueing that the isk-to-risk ratio needs to be changed.

Also, you're forgetting the other major reason we're doing what we're doing: We want to. Even if it didn't have these secondary effects that we are really pleased about we would probably still do it.


Ah, the one person from Skunkworks that I can count on for an answer that isn’t pretentious. And always gracious in defeat in game too.

However, I didn’t miss the reasons as to why, although what I was alluding to was that I had my reservations about the ‘nobility’ of the cause. Don’t get me wrong, there are those in your corporation who I have respect for (two in particular for their PvP prowess and their achievements in griefing). I won’t drop their names, as that’s the kind of attention you want from making threads like this as well as why you write your blog, but a lot of the others seem content to hang onto their coattails for the sake of infamy.

For now, I wish you luck. I have found the actions of a certain person in your organisation amusing and for now I have been largely unaffected by it. Still, it’s the perfect platform for peddling the intel I have on you guys, so I thank you for that.
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#50 - 2011-10-31 15:54:08 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:

edit: Here's my take on Incursions. They make as much isk as I did running wormholes, but in the safety of highsec. They are wrecking the value loyalty points, making the game harder for casual mission runners who don't have the time to chase incursions and put together fleets (no I don't do missions either) in what time they have to play. They are creating a steady stream of stuff going into the market without much being taken out, resulting in general inflation.

Incursions NEED to be more dangerous, because as they stand now they are just isk printers driving up the price of everything and hurting everyone who isn't being an incursion bear (except maybe the self-sufficient wormhole corps).


Your take is wrong. Now if you neither incursions or do missions, how in hell's name do you get a saying about how these 2 things affect each other?
If you respond to me claiming "oh how in the sacred moose's name can I know that you are wrong?" I swear to the gods that I will make you read every single word of that 9 page thread that is running in the missioning subforum about "incursions inflating LP prices" .
Friendly Gank
Unilateral Inaction
#51 - 2011-10-31 16:03:39 UTC
always seems odd to me that griefers are just about the most risk averse people you can find. this might actually be worth a thread if they went after some of the more serious incursions bears like sk33t or SSN
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#52 - 2011-10-31 16:49:14 UTC
Mace Ormond wrote:
This may be true. Your other character, Floppietheminingclown (love your originality by the way) could indeed be a wormhole explorer.


Nope. His name should tell you what I made that account for. The role has evolved quite a bit since then, but I have no problem stating that that character remains purely a support role. If I had wanted to hide him, I'd have named him something less obvious. No, if you look back at my history of posts in the forums and my killboard losses before joining the skunkworks, it should be obvious that I do my excursions with my main (this one).

Mace Ormond wrote:
Your CEO does have these other carebear corporations I'm talking about, and that's not a theory. Ask him about the high sec POS he lost a few weeks ago. It's location was provided to certain parties courtesy of Corporate Catering.

Of course, it's just business at the end of the day and should you kids require a bespoke buffet of your own, I'll see what I can cook up.


I'm well aware of what Monk and some of the others have been up to, and to what ends. You, however, can only guess and feign insight.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Mace Ormond
Doomheim
#53 - 2011-10-31 16:59:27 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Mace Ormond wrote:
This may be true. Your other character, Floppietheminingclown (love your originality by the way) could indeed be a wormhole explorer.


Nope. His name should tell you what I made that account for. The role has evolved quite a bit since then, but I have no problem stating that that character remains purely a support role. If I had wanted to hide him, I'd have named him something less obvious. No, if you look back at my history of posts in the forums and my killboard losses before joining the skunkworks, it should be obvious that I do my excursions with my main (this one).

Mace Ormond wrote:
Your CEO does have these other carebear corporations I'm talking about, and that's not a theory. Ask him about the high sec POS he lost a few weeks ago. It's location was provided to certain parties courtesy of Corporate Catering.

Of course, it's just business at the end of the day and should you kids require a bespoke buffet of your own, I'll see what I can cook up.


I'm well aware of what Monk and some of the others have been up to, and to what ends. You, however, can only guess and feign insight.


Irony seems to be lost on you. A shame, but not a great one.

But I feign nothing. I delivered "Ponyville" to your war targets. I know he has more towers and wont pull them down because he doesn't have the standings to put them back up in again. If that's a guess, you have to admit it's a good one.
Odemis
Death By Design
#54 - 2011-10-31 17:53:37 UTC
If only there were some kind of tactic to avoid losing a POS in high-sec.... CCP should free up restrictions on alliance hopping to avoid unwanted war declarations and structure violencing. Oh wait, they did!
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2011-10-31 18:12:21 UTC
We've got several people now who have sworn the eternal destruction of the Skunkworks, and make it a point to know what we're up to as thoroughly as possible. Far be it for me to denounce getting thorough intel, being as it's one of the tools we used to best effect when we're at war, but I do have a bit of a giggle picturing these dudes making big charts with our pictures on them and gathering search results and telling their precious how they'll get revenge. :D

On an other note, we broke 30 billion isk destroyed in this campaign last night and also have a delicious story to tell about a kill we got. I won't bother copy-pasting, since this is a great opportunity to be an attention whore and link my blog.

Here, have a link.

Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity
Gazmin VanBurin
Boma Bull Corp
#56 - 2011-10-31 21:48:34 UTC
Of course some of us are just hard core Shansha roleplayers and think that the incersion bears have been pushing back our invasion of high sec for to long!
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#57 - 2011-10-31 22:11:11 UTC
My favorite was the 'Geddon Navy that got himself Concorded by shooting the one ship in our fleet that didn't have aggression on him.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Sola Mercury
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2011-11-01 10:39:35 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:

They are creating a steady stream of stuff going into the market without much being taken out, resulting in general inflation.

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Mind to elaborate, what seems to me, is a solid proof of your cluelessnes?
You know, "a steady stream of stuff going into the market" lowers inflation.
Dek'athor
Doomheim
#59 - 2011-11-01 12:12:35 UTC
Sola Mercury wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:

They are creating a steady stream of stuff going into the market without much being taken out, resulting in general inflation.

.


Mind to elaborate, what seems to me, is a solid proof of your cluelessnes?
You know, "a steady stream of stuff going into the market" lowers inflation.


He means a 'steady stream of isk'. Altho, tbh, I'd put the recent prices increase (i.e. plex) on the looming winter expansion, before them good expansions apparently all the prices go up
Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2011-11-01 14:07:46 UTC
Ammzi wrote:

PS:
Saying highsec incursions is one of the best ISK features is a bit flawed. You do realise that highsec incursions only pay out 60 % of the reward that is paid out in nullsec and lowsec?

And a last thing, about 30-40 billion isk is being generated in highsec incursions at best peak times during the week an hour.
You need to step your game up a bit more before we notice anything on our wallets.


quoting you saying that highsec incursions dont make much ISK followed by you saying high sec incursions make 30 - 40 billion ISK AN HOUR.
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