Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Nice!!!! Armaggedon!!!! It is taking out the role of my old dominix-cap drainer!!!! And it can use all kind of weapons to suport!!! I want one!!!

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Hey, whait! The bonus is for range? not effectiveness?! WHTFH!!!!!!! ADD A BONUS TO EFFECTIVENESS NOW! (can be small thou)

Although you're from Noir which makes me cringe, I agree 100% with this. It seems there's no racial separation anymore, minmatar are getting more missiles, amarr more drones, gallente more mids and therefore more shield tank, it's bloody boring and offers nothing different. I want god damn apartheid, not reconciliation.

I personally think the cap bonus of lasers is an old thing of the past that needs to go away. It was mostly used as a means to keep other races from fitting lasers on their ships.

Now with high fitting costs and the projectile buff, people 9/10 will fit projectiles on ships that don't have bonus to weapons including amarr ships that had no bonus to lasers.


I advocate for a reduction in cap usage for all lasers by 33-50%. Even with a 50% reduction lasers still use much more cap than hybrids and an infinite % more than projectiles. But a reduction will make it so that amarr ships won't get capped out so badly just by shooting their own guns.

In general I like most of these changes but only if lasers themselves are adjusted.

I want to echo what some other posters have said and ask CCP to pay attention to Amarr mission runners and people leveling up their skills using Amarr ships. Previously the Apocalypse has always been the go to 'new player friendly' Amarr battleship, largely due to the capacitor bonus on the guns. Unfortunately, I feel this has always been a band-aid fix to the real problem with Amarr ships, namely that Lasers are bad and require players to load out their ships with boosters, rechargers, and power relays in order to keep their guns firing.


I strongly suggest that laser cap use gets nerfed across the board.

In general I'm ok with the changes.

I would like to add my voice to capacitor concerns. I have done this before in previous levels of ship re-balancing, however it is in the BS line that laser cap use has the most problems.

Whether there are changes to the ammo, guns, or hulls. Each of these ships should be able to fit T2 highest tier guns, megapulse or tachs, and not neut itself dry using regular MF ammo. Amarr is the only race that can't continually fire its guns without having to fit some kind or combination of cap modules and rigs. For me this is most annoying when shooting I-Hubs in FW when I have to bring cap charges just to keep shooting a structure. And annoying for new players when first using these ships for PVE.

It makes sense to be cap unstable with even a MWD fitted but this again is an amarr only problem. Using an active tank of any kind, mwding around, ABing around and not cap stable fine. But just sitting there with only a dc and my guns going and I run out of cap that's just dumb and annoying and dare I say unbalanced. Then the insult to injury is since Amarr "don't need ammo" we have teeny tiny cargo holds to hold only 5 mins of Cap Boosters that in now way shape or form count as our ammo or necessary...



On a side note, plan on changing any of the frigates to fall in line with the Dragoon->Arby->Prophecy->Geddon line? I would take a new navy faction frig doesn't have to be a reworked T1.

Eagerly awaiting CCP Rise getting his courage together to rise up into this threadnaught. Though your doing pretty well with half the people hating you for going to far one way and the other hating you for going to far the other.

I'd like to re-voice my support the new Armageddon. While some players are sad to see the missioning Apoc go, I'd like to point out that the Armageddon could easily take its place, using range-bonused Nos on NPCs to sustain a beastly active tank while using capless missile/drone fire that has great range projection . I currently use a missile/drone Typhoon with Noses for running C3 anoms solo, and I can definitely see myself switching to this sweet new Geddon for that very same task. I like my utility highs and my capacitor warfare, and I think those are very underrated things.

A long time ago I heard the "fun" begins when you hit T2 ships for Amarr, since they can offer something "special" rather than just lasers/armor. I'm definitely very glad to see special "neat tricks" being added to T1 hulls!

Heavy neuts, drones, and thick armor are great IMO. I've been specializing in the Dragoon/Arbitrator type hulls for a little while now, and definitely look forward to something beefier for heavier gangs.

<3 these changes

I wasn't aware the geddon needs breaking. If CCP wants to add a new boat that's drastically different, they should just do it, not breaking a popular boat that's working fine and replacing it. This new novelty comes at an unacceptable loss.

That would be a "disruption" bonus. Apparently neuting doesn't count as ewar/disruption... /shrug

Tachyon Beams will still not be viable on the Apoc if you want a Prop mod on it (even just 1 prop mod) and this is with Reactor control unit on it allready just to fit the Tachyons.

Edit: In fact there still wont be a BS that can fit Tachyons after this and don't even dream about prop mods after trying to fit Tachyons... you need a Reactor control even on the Abaddon.

Please look into this! (don't know if your just not surposed to be able to fit the Tachyons or what but this just seems wrong)