Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It may have taken me some 70-80m SP, but on the day I was finally able to properly fit a Typhoon I was the proudest Minmatar in all of New Eden. That said, I understand why its skill requirements are not very appealing from a game design perspective.

Maelstrom: will the extra goody the Gallente are in the process of nudging out of their active tank bonus carry over, even a little bit?

Tempest: Honestly, I'm not sure it will survive with the huge signature increase together with the much closer speed-gap due to the speed increases of other races attack battleships. With the adjustments to better damage application a lot of the other battleships receive, I am not yet convinced the EHP buff will offset its lost damage migitation.
The two most common uses over the last years (neut+dps platform against cap, light/fast roamer with good range and tracking) will certainly be taken over by the new Geddon (we needed another Amarr fleet doctrine!), and possibly by Pulse Apocs (aligns faster, less mass, better agility, very close in speed, smaller signature, insane damage projection and application).

Also, since I was never a fan of the - in my opinion useless - 75 MBit of drone bandwith, I vote for 50 MBit bandwith, 100m3 bay size. (-25/+25). Alternatively, new type of 15 MBit drones (Please, data mine the amount of 75 MBit ships fitted in a hangar somewhere with a 2/2/1 drone load).

The more I look at it, the less I see anything it will be able to achieve that another ship won't be better at while being better at everything else as well.

Typhoon: depending on how the lower mass translates to ZOMG ACCELERATION, combined with the abysmal tange of torps on ships without range bonus and the fact that missile range can not be increased by modules, it will routinely die before doing any damage. Which over time might lead to it being ignored until its in range. Might be salvaged by the battleship missile rebalance, useless until then.

The drone role of Geddon and Domi get strengthened; the one ship most matari trained heavy/sentry drones for gets them reduced to add-on level.

Also, nice to see that going into the second decade the Typhoon stays true to its setup of having more HP on the type it does not tank on, so as to have the maximum amount of EHP unbonused and not leveraging any stacking synergy if possible. (no, with its dedication to missiles, BCUs, the +CPU drawback of missile range rigs and the 5th cpu heavy med, the +40 CPU will not make shield tanking it viable or fun beyond comedy value).

While I have long looked for the Phoon to be a useful ship, the only way it would stand out is if the missile buff is of such quality to make a missile launching phoon desirable. Some sort of range bonus for torps would help. Long range cruise are just not very practical for long range sniping. Cruise need speed bonus, torps need range. So either bonus the phoon for this or buff missiles and torps.

Now for one of my pet peeves, a couple years ago large missiles were nerfed to the point where they became useless for fleets or gangs of any size. Now CCP is looking at some sort of buff . What gets me is everytime I hear how CCP is "balancing" something, years later they are undoing what they thought was a balance. What it does is leaves all those pilots who spent a long time training for something wondering why. Might I suggest stop trying to tinker with the game. If you want balance then eliminate the races except for one and eliminate all classes of ships except for one of each class.

Wouldn't it make more sense to make the Tempest the Minmatar attack BS, since the Raven already fills the "Missile Attack BS" niche?

And why woudl anyone ever bring a tempest for taht role? A amesltrom is FAR sueprior if you need to brawl. if you need neuts That is geddon job now. What you really expect peopel to do with temepsts now (compared to the current metagame).

You are makign minamtar all over VERY VERY SAD. You are giving them NON MINMATAR SHIPS! And BAD non minmatar ships even!


Stop being so fixed on how to divide ships among races. Give minmatar 2 attack ships and 1 cobmat. After all RACES HAVE CONCEPTS.

Also bring up a BIT the signature? Its freaking 23% !!!

But if you REALLY want to make tempest a combat ship (somethign that is conceptually worong and looks all wrong and will make almsot everybody MAD at you)..then at least make it a GOOD combat boat.

For that massive nerf you should have changed its bonuses ocmpletely to something like 10% ROF and 7.5% falloff. Yes that level is needed if you want it to be better than maelstrom in ANY COMBAT ROLE. OR move its utility slots to low slots if you want to give minmatar a proper armor combat ship.


Your impressive combat tempest gained less HP than a single plate would give! that means that almost any combat ship will still out tank it. This ship is completely without PURPOSE on the current proposition!

yup exaclty. They do not even bothered to try make a proper minmatar battleship.

I can do their work if they want. Target is a ship with a role that is not made useless by maelstrom or typhoon.

Simpel examples:

If you want to keep combat role.:

A : +1 turret. Change bonus to 7.5% rof and the damage bonus you change into 7.5% falloff. Simple and it can do SOMETHING better than the maelstrom. Add some PG to compesnate turret.

B: -1 utility high and +1 low slot . Then you have a proper armor tanking battleship. Need also to increase drones to 100.



BOTH cases. Reduce signature to 390 at MOST!



But if they wake up and make it a second attack ship.

Give about same hitpoints as typhoon, but more geared towards shields. make it 6 mids 5 lows. Make it LIGHTER, As light as megatron. And make it move 125 ms. Then you have antoher proper ship, witha role that its not eclipsed by the maelstrom or typhoon. On this case the signature cannot be over 340.


Third option. I know some will not liek. But its an exclusive role. reduce dps but increase alpha. Single bonus for ship 10% damage per level.

Typhoon:
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 100(-125) / 100(-75)

typo I assume?

PS. remember the Tempest will be one of the few ships except drone boats capable of using 2 utility slots for RR or Neuts. That is still rather nasty to run into and Tempest doesn't look like it need more help than the HP and powergrid it already received.

So I spend the time training for all the weapon systems on the typhoon, and now there isn't a single minmitar battleship that can use a set of five heavy drones. Stop nerfing battleship drone bays. This needs to be changed!

It's more agile you ****, minmatar are still supposed to have the outright speed advantage, but not the agility, so if you stuff up initially you get caught and die.

You think it's ok for the ships with the most damage to have both the highest agility and the highest speed? Not to mention BETTER damage projection. Have a god damn think about it.

I MUST KNOW... what happens to Pirate faction Battleships, namely the Machariel because its Minmatar as well I MUST KNOW PLEASE TELL ME. also thank you for not killing the Maelstrom

But then suddenly typhoon...