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Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities
#1 - 2013-04-08 15:22:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Elvis Preslie
I heard you guys are doing something to incursion sites but I have no idea what.

There is a war going on between DIN and ISN; I'm part of TVP/WTM incursions and we're being made unable to do incursion sites because of THEIR war.

DIN is mad because of something that ISN did and DIN has vowed to end EVERY incursion site after it spawns, if an ISN fleet forms to run it.

Honestly, I dont give a damn what their problem is but it is affecting others that run incursions with no involvement.

PLEASE, make a minimum of 200 HQ sites be ran before the kundalini will spawn I don't care what requirements you set as long as we can have two days at the same site, running site after site from downtime to downtime, at least, before someone can end it.

I ALSO understand some don't want this so they can contest others, by keeping all incursion runners in one site. This is fine as long as whom they're contesting AGREES to it. If they don't want to contest, so be it; they can go contest someone else.

For This, ALSO PLEASE put a way in the game to let one FC ask another to contest. You could make a special HQ site spawn JUST for them, that can only be ran by them because it will ONLY spawn the rats when BOTH Fleets are in it. make it where only these two fleets can even see the beacon on their overview

Also, make TWO MORE SITES SPAWN THAN ARE CURRENTLY BEING RAN OR HAVE BEEN STARTED, to keep people from "forcing" others to contest.

I mean what honor do you get out of a site you only won because you took out the first two rooms of a TPPH before your contestant even got in the site.

If they want to settle differences there is a war dec and ghanking, both legal but griefing is NOT legal, via the rules WE agreed to by playing eve.

I have no interest at the moment to contest but, UNLIKE THE OTHER SELF-ABSORBED IDIOTS IN THIS THREAD, I am trying to protect the interests of those that do while giving everyone a choice.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2013-04-08 15:26:42 UTC
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Seriously? Is this really a thing now? You're crying about people who have the nerve to actually run a site?
Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities
#3 - 2013-04-08 15:28:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Elvis Preslie
Danika Princip wrote:
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Seriously? Is this really a thing now? You're crying about people who have the nerve to actually run a site?



When you actually do incursions, then say something about them. I dont impose on what you do. Or, maybe you do; maybe you're DIN member trying to keep your ability to "cry", as you call it.

There is NO point to ANY incursion when you run one HQ site and then run the kundalini, instead of milking the site for LP and ISK. Like I said, you obviously don't do incursions or you would know this; so, only two possibilities concern you. Either you're DIN, trying to keep your ability to interrupt other's play or you Don't run incursions and are putting your nose where it don't belong.

Im estatic at how many "kids" there are in this game; when someone wants to better eve, they call it "crying" when they get pissed at people and "cry" by keeping them from playing the game, interrupting game mechanics, and exploitng the game.

Then, others call other's attempts to improve the game crying when they want to keep them from ruining the game for others, just so they can keep doing it.


So, ccp, ALSO put a way in the game to let one FC ask another to contest. Also, make TWO MORE SITES SPAWN THAN ARE CURRENTLY BEING RAN OR HAVE BEEN STARTED, to keep people from "forcing" others to contest.

I mean what honor do you get out of a site you only won because you took out the first two rooms of a TPPH before your contestant even got in the site.
Emila Airhart
Physics Says No
Psyno Theory
#4 - 2013-04-08 15:53:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Emila Airhart
Stop your Whining. you wish to prolong the suffering

Once you start shortcutting learning curve, you are rendering learning curve useless. From that, there is no way back, because once you have enough people without having passed by the fire, you will never. exploring-the-character-bazaar-skill-tradin
Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities
#5 - 2013-04-08 15:58:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Elvis Preslie
Emila Airhart wrote:
Stop your Whining. you wish to prolong the suffering


[15:49:36] Jimmy Causey > i dropped 250 mil of my own cash.



This is a GAME; its not in stone. They can't keep people from running incursions if there's no way in the game to do so. apparently, you're not aware CCP does listen to people that have logical reasoning to backup their statements.

Are you mad because none of your petitions have ever been put in the game? Have you ever stopped to think how it affects people before making a thread in here? Thats why it didnt get put in the game.

Seriously, I could just start sitting on the kundalini of each site and reporting the fc's as exploiters, on the basis of the mails I've received about the bull going on. It's called GRIEFING.

Here's the proof, CCP:

Re: DIN/Politics . Whats this all about?
From: Sly294
Sent: 2013.04.07 14:18
To: ICU General,

Hey guys,

We have over 500 people on this mailing list so i assume there are many spai's in here, But not a bad thing.. Especially for the infomation i wish to pass onto you guys and explain a few things why thus us happening.

Simply put, DIN-Flotten (German incursion community) have become upset and decided to pop all hi-sec moms.
Now there is abit more to this, But however you put it is a fact.

DIN-Flotten claim many things in recent events... And all of which i will explain in some detail.
I will put this into questions and answers to make it simple for you all to understand.

Q. Why did DIN pop all Hi-sec moms?
A. Because ICU contested them and ISN in a very successful day in HQ's.

Q. Din claim you followed them to disband there fleet is this true ICU?
A. No, Not true, We contested ISN more times then DIN that day.
there was 3 times were it was a 3 way contest between ICU/DIN and ISN.

Q. DIn claim you lied, And you said you would not contest them, If true why did you contest them?
A. This is correct ICU said we would not contest DIN due to an Agreement in place. However DIN also promised they would not
pop any Hi-sec Moms unless there rotation or they contesting someone.. However DIN LIED!!! they popped a few moms a few days ago and therfor broke the agreement...Easy to forget this isnt it DIN?

Q. What happens now?
A. DIN have promised to KILL ALL HI-SEC incursion until there is one left, And have also said they will POP
the last remaining hi-sec if ISN (and possible ICU) Form a HQ fleet.

You all have your opinions, But now you know the full story...

Sly
Alesius Lerance
Chrysos Aigis
#6 - 2013-04-08 16:11:08 UTC
Elvis Preslie wrote:



There is NO point to ANY incursion when you run one HQ site and then run the kundalini, instead of milking the site for LP and ISK. Like I said, you obviously don't do incursions or you would know this; so, only two possibilities concern you. Either you're DIN, trying to keep your ability to interrupt other's play or you Don't run incursions and are putting your nose where it don't belong.


No point? What about the RP reason to end an incursion quickly to save the people living in the incursion area? Alternatively, you could pop the mom in order to harvest carebear tears.

Family, Corporation, and State, in that order. What else is there worth fighting for?
Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities
#7 - 2013-04-08 16:18:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Elvis Preslie
Alesius Lerance wrote:


No point? What about the RP reason to end an incursion quickly to save the people living in the incursion area? Alternatively, you could pop the mom in order to harvest carebear tears.


Stop wasting your time posting irrational statements with nothing to back them up. I have addressed all reasons a fleet would want to end all other incursions and ways to allow them to KEEP their contesting while not interrupting others.
Blizzaro
Vahalla La
Rainbow Knights
#8 - 2013-04-08 16:20:10 UTC
Keep the mechanics the same it works fine.

Actions have consequence in this game.

Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities
#9 - 2013-04-08 16:24:49 UTC
Blizzaro wrote:
Keep the mechanics the same it works fine.

Actions have consequence in this game.



THere are no consequences for them ending all other sites and keeping incursions from remaining. Another irrational idiot posting.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2013-04-08 16:24:50 UTC
Elvis Preslie wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
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Seriously? Is this really a thing now? You're crying about people who have the nerve to actually run a site?



When you actually do incursions, then say something about them. I dont impose on what you do. Or, maybe you do; maybe you're DIN member trying to keep your ability to "cry", as you call it.

There is NO point to ANY incursion when you run one HQ site and then run the kundalini, instead of milking the site for LP and ISK. Like I said, you obviously don't do incursions or you would know this; so, only two possibilities concern you. Either you're DIN, trying to keep your ability to interrupt other's play or you Don't run incursions and are putting your nose where it don't belong.

Im estatic at how many "kids" there are in this game; when someone wants to better eve, they call it "crying" when they get pissed at people and "cry" by keeping them from playing the game, interrupting game mechanics, and exploitng the game.

Then, others call other's attempts to improve the game crying when they want to keep them from ruining the game for others, just so they can keep doing it.

You can't have your cake and eat it too; you have to compromise. If you don't want to compromise, you're like the ones who want to have a "God" character/ship and have no risk.

I ALSO understand some don't want this so they can contest others, by keeping all incursion runners in one site. This is fine as long as the one you're contesting AGREES to it. If they don't want to contest, so be it; go contest someone else. Don't go and start every site that's spawned and not finish it, trying to force people into contesting.

So, ccp, ALSO put a way in the game to let one FC ask another to contest. Also, make TWO MORE SITES SPAWN THAN ARE CURRENTLY BEING RAN OR HAVE BEEN STARTED, to keep people from "forcing" others to contest.

I mean what honor do you get out of a site you only won because you took out the first two rooms of a TPPH before your contestant even got in the site.



There are three highsec incursions up most of the time, just go run another one. Or, if you're feeling really brave, go run the lowsec one. (Incidentally, these are the kind I'm actually familiar with) You're crying about someone daring to run a site and spoiling your 100% risk free money making, and demanding CCP change game mechanics to fix an issue with a community, not a problem with the game.
Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities
#11 - 2013-04-08 16:27:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Elvis Preslie
Danika Princip wrote:



There are three highsec incursions up most of the time, just go run another one. Or, if you're feeling really brave, go run the lowsec one. (Incidentally, these are the kind I'm actually familiar with) You're crying about someone daring to run a site and spoiling your 100% risk free money making, and demanding CCP change game mechanics to fix an issue with a community, not a problem with the game.


Again you don't know incursions or what they're doing; STAY OUT OF IT. THey end all other sites and make everyone stay in one, which was OK. WE went with it but NOW they're ending the last site too, to keep people from doing incursions and griefing.

Seriously, if we are only to do incursions in low, stop making them spawn in high. THere's a reason the low ones pay more and the high security ones pay less - to give people a CHOICE.

You seem to be so much of an ******* that you only want YOURSELF to have a choice and no one else. LIke i said, keep posting irrational statements and wasting your time. You must be one of the people doing this to want this; you're digging your own grave by making ccp ignore your statements.

DO NOT POST ANYTHING ELSE BELOW WITHOUT READING THE FIRST POST AGAIN; I HAVE UPDATED IT TO REFLECT EVERYONE'S RATIONAL INTEREST
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2013-04-08 16:34:35 UTC
Elvis Preslie wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:



There are three highsec incursions up most of the time, just go run another one. Or, if you're feeling really brave, go run the lowsec one. (Incidentally, these are the kind I'm actually familiar with) You're crying about someone daring to run a site and spoiling your 100% risk free money making, and demanding CCP change game mechanics to fix an issue with a community, not a problem with the game.


Again you don't know incursions or what they're doing; STAY OUT OF IT. THey end all other sites and make everyone stay in one, which was OK. WE went with it but NOW they're ending the last site too, to keep people from doing incursions and griefing.

Seriously, if we are only to do incursions in low, stop making them spawn in high. THere's a reason the low ones pay more and the high security ones pay less - to give people a CHOICE.

You seem to be so much of an ******* that you only want YOURSELF to have a choice and no one else. LIke i said, keep posting irrational statements and wasting your time. You must be one of the people doing this to want this.



Yeah, I only have a couple of million LP, I've clearly never run an incursion. I'll admit I stopped when they were nerfed, but I know exactly what taking out the mothership in a HS incursion does; pays out all the LP and generates an absolutely HILARIOUS amount of tears from people like yourself.


You need to explain why CCP needs to change game mechanics to settle a slapfight between overpriviliged entitled carebears who wouldn't know risk if it came up and slapped them.


Like you said, keep posting irrational statements and wasting your time.
Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities
#13 - 2013-04-08 16:36:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Elvis Preslie
Danika Princip wrote:

You need to explain why CCP needs to change game mechanics to settle a slapfight between overpriviliged entitled carebears who wouldn't know risk if it came up and slapped them.
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DO NOT POST ANYTHING ELSE BELOW WITHOUT READING THE FIRST POST AGAIN; I HAVE UPDATED IT TO REFLECT EVERYONE'S RATIONAL INTEREST

If they want to settle differences there is a war dec and ghanking, both legal but griefing is NOT legal, via the rules YOU agreed to by playing eve.

And yes, I am to have just as much privilege as you do. Take your "God" character ideas you may have and shove em where the sun doesnt shine.

"I know exactly what running the mothership does; pays out all the LP...."

All of what? Only10,000 LP between the one site ran and the kundalini?

With all them likes, you must be the Queen of the Idiots
Emila Airhart
Physics Says No
Psyno Theory
#14 - 2013-04-08 16:40:32 UTC
I hear A carebear calling merc corpsOopsOopsOopsOops

as people are Idiots ?

I am going to milk a cow

Once you start shortcutting learning curve, you are rendering learning curve useless. From that, there is no way back, because once you have enough people without having passed by the fire, you will never. exploring-the-character-bazaar-skill-tradin
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#15 - 2013-04-08 16:40:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Doe
I'm pretty sure this is similar to asking for more grav or any other sites spawned per single site, you're upset about someone else getting it done faster so now you're begging for more sites. Seems like it's working fine to me. This is as close to griefing as ninja mining Sov is.

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--
Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities
#16 - 2013-04-08 16:42:15 UTC
Emila Airhart wrote:
I hear A carebear calling merc corpsOopsOopsOopsOops

as people are Idiots ?

I am going to milk a cow


woohoo, go jimmy go
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2013-04-08 16:54:17 UTC
Elvis Preslie wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:

You need to explain why CCP needs to change game mechanics to settle a slapfight between overpriviliged entitled carebears who wouldn't know risk if it came up and slapped them.
.

DO NOT POST ANYTHING ELSE BELOW WITHOUT READING THE FIRST POST AGAIN; I HAVE UPDATED IT TO REFLECT EVERYONE'S RATIONAL INTEREST

If they want to settle differences there is a war dec and ghanking, both legal but griefing is NOT legal, via the rules YOU agreed to by playing eve.

And yes, I am to have just as much privilege as you do. Take your "God" character ideas you may have and shove em where the sun doesnt shine.

"I know exactly what running the mothership does; pays out all the LP...."

All of what? Only10,000 LP between the one site ran and the kundalini?



Running sites is not griefing. Is there any indication anywhere at all that CCP intended for the motherships to be left up for days while carebears milk their 100% risk free money from the other sites?

Also, god character ideas? What? (We're capsuleers. We are literally immortal demigods already. Don't we get called that in the intro video?)
Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities
#18 - 2013-04-08 17:04:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Elvis Preslie
Danika Princip wrote:


Running sites is not griefing. Is there any indication anywhere at all that CCP intended for the motherships to be left up for days while carebears milk their 100% risk free money from the other sites?

Also, god character ideas? What? (We're capsuleers. We are literally immortal demigods already. Don't we get called that in the intro video?)


Shooting a gun at something can be good or bad, depending on how its used. Running sites is not bad if it doesnt have bad intentions. and yes, it IS griefing how they're doing it.

I'm talking of the ideas you may want that only help YOU, like the ten year characters that want their membership free. Why should ccp give you something for nothing; just because you have a ten year character doesnt mean you paid for it. You can *shocking* make isk and buy a plex.

I pay for my gametime monthly and EVERY month; have never used a plex I used isk to obtain.

100% risk free? yeah I'm sure when there's ghankers. ALso, its a HUGE risk because we have to have logi to do them. WE lose ships every day. The risk is in the sites themselves but you don't run incursions to know this and you are preventing others from doing things that doesnt even affect you. What an *******!

I'm not addressing anymore of your statements; you ignore the truth and have no logic.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2013-04-08 17:09:03 UTC
Elvis Preslie wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:


Running sites is not griefing. Is there any indication anywhere at all that CCP intended for the motherships to be left up for days while carebears milk their 100% risk free money from the other sites?

Also, god character ideas? What? (We're capsuleers. We are literally immortal demigods already. Don't we get called that in the intro video?)


Shooting a gun at something can be good or bad, depending on how its used. Running sites is not bad if it doesnt have bad intentions. and yes, it IS griefing how they're doing it.

I'm talking of the ideas you may want that only help YOU, like the ten year characters that want their membership free. Why should ccp give you something for nothing; just because you have a ten year character doesnt mean they paid for it. You can *shocking* make isk and pay for your time.

I'm not addressing anymore of your statements; you ignore the truth and have no logic.



GUYS GUYS PLAYING THE GAME IS GRIEFING YOU'RE GRIEFING ME STOP IT LOG OUT NOW YOU GRIEFER



I honestly don't understand the rest of your post. Why should CCP give you, the highsec incursion runner, all that ISK/LP for no risk at all? And how does giving you guys all that money not benefit older characters with better skills?
Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities
#20 - 2013-04-08 17:10:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Elvis Preslie
Danika Princip wrote:




I honestly don't understand the rest of your post. Why should CCP give you, the highsec incursion runner, all that ISK/LP for no risk at all? And how does giving you guys all that money not benefit older characters with better skills?


100% risk free? yeah I'm sure when there's ghankers. ALso, its a HUGE risk because we have to have logi to do them. WE lose ships every day. The risk is in the sites themselves but you don't run incursions to know this and you are preventing others from doing things that doesnt even affect you. What an *******!

I'm not addressing anymore of your statements; you ignore the truth and have no logic.

Fine, there's no risk in missions either, take them out too. I dont run missions but I wasnt saying this to you; I guess you want karma.

"wahh wahh, i cant find enough people to have a fleet for incursions so I'll make sure I have better ships than them by keeping them from making isk, saying they're running sites wihout risk while I'm an idiot and don't realize its more risk than my lvl 4's and lvl 5's"

just Shut up. your logic goes only as far as you can add 2+2
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