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Shield Transfer and Remote Armor Rep of non-corp fleet members
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QuakeGod
Empire Manufacturing
#1 - 2013-04-04 22:34:36 UTC
While I'm not a new player, I've never had a reason to ask this question before.

If I have a fleet composed of 2 different corps in high-sec, am I allowed to shield transfer or remote armor rep a member of the other corp?

I am simply wanting to shield transfer and remote armor rep other members of my fleet, and some of them are not mebers of my corp.

I know that attacking a member of your fleet that is not a part of your corp is punishable by Concord.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-04-04 22:52:50 UTC
Yes, armor reps are not an attack, they are a boost.
QuakeGod
Empire Manufacturing
#3 - 2013-04-04 22:57:11 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Yes, armor reps are not an attack, they are a boost.


So, I'm assuming that shield transfer, remote armor rep, power transfer and sensor boost are all valid since they help members of your fleet.

Thanks for the reply.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-04-04 23:00:32 UTC
QuakeGod wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Yes, armor reps are not an attack, they are a boost.


So, I'm assuming that shield transfer, remote armor rep, power transfer and sensor boost are all valid since they help members of your fleet.

Thanks for the reply.


Yeah you are fine. Now if the person you are assisting starts a ruckus you could be in trouble. But that's life.

(Note that's an "I Think", I've never lived in highsec)
Spondoo Lix
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-04-04 23:09:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Spondoo Lix
Yep, you're cool unless the person you rep/boost has a suspect/criminal flag....in which case you get the same flag

(ETA: maybe only a suspect flag for helping a criminal, but people will still be able to shoot you without penalty).
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#6 - 2013-04-05 00:01:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
SmilingVagrant wrote:

Yeah you are fine. Now if the person you are assisting starts a ruckus you could be in trouble. But that's life.
(Note that's an "I Think", I've never lived in highsec)

It's entirely dependent of the specific nature of the ruckus.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#7 - 2013-04-05 05:23:48 UTC
With your safety set to green in hisec, you can't do anything that would give you a suspect or criminal flag.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-04-05 07:14:38 UTC
QuakeGod wrote:
While I'm not a new player, I've never had a reason to ask this question before.

If I have a fleet composed of 2 different corps in high-sec, am I allowed to shield transfer or remote armor rep a member of the other corp?

I am simply wanting to shield transfer and remote armor rep other members of my fleet, and some of them are not mebers of my corp.

I know that attacking a member of your fleet that is not a part of your corp is punishable by Concord.


Concord punishes hostile agressive actions (so anything that negatively affects a ship). Giving someone repairs isnt a thing that I call negative

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Hollis Boirelle
Variables Unlimited
Urukian Collective
#9 - 2013-04-05 15:52:58 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
With your safety set to green in hisec, you can't do anything that would give you a suspect or criminal flag.
You also need to disable your safety before repairing someone flagged yellow in lowsec.

In WH or null I'd assume it isn't an issue, but does anyone know for sure?
Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE
Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
#10 - 2013-04-06 00:39:11 UTC
I would assume for null it doesn't matter as suspect/criminal flags are not generated at all. I am sure I have gone into fleets with it accidentally set to green, but I cannot say for 100% certainty.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-04-06 00:51:17 UTC
Lord Battlestar wrote:
I would assume for null it doesn't matter as suspect/criminal flags are not generated at all. I am sure I have gone into fleets with it accidentally set to green, but I cannot say for 100% certainty.


Wait.

You can set that red light to green???P

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#12 - 2013-04-06 03:24:22 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Tau Cabalander wrote:
With your safety set to green in hisec, you can't do anything that would give you a suspect or criminal flag.


I believe you can still loot yellow cans/wrecks, gaining yourself a Suspect flag, you naughty thief, you.


Tau is right, as usual.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#13 - 2013-04-06 04:13:30 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
With your safety set to green in hisec, you can't do anything that would give you a suspect or criminal flag.


I believe you can still loot yellow cans/wrecks, gaining yourself a Suspect flag, you naughty thief, you.

No you can't. With your safety set to green you cannot perform any action that would get you a suspect flag.

It would be super cool if people would stop telling newbies what they believe about stuff and stuck with what they actually know.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#14 - 2013-04-06 04:55:08 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
With your safety set to green in hisec, you can't do anything that would give you a suspect or criminal flag.


I believe you can still loot yellow cans/wrecks, gaining yourself a Suspect flag, you naughty thief, you.

No you can't. With your safety set to green you cannot perform any action that would get you a suspect flag.

It would be super cool if people would stop telling newbies what they believe about stuff and stuck with what they actually know.


That's interesting. Last time I was in a thread like this, I was yelled at for saying the exact opposite by someone else.

I suppose I'll have to actually test it at some point.


Tested, and you are absolutely right.

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Friggz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-04-08 00:35:35 UTC
Hollis Boirelle wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
With your safety set to green in hisec, you can't do anything that would give you a suspect or criminal flag.
You also need to disable your safety before repairing someone flagged yellow in lowsec.

In WH or null I'd assume it isn't an issue, but does anyone know for sure?


I know you can attack anyone in null even with a green safety. I don't know if you can rep someone with a criminal flag, the only way it would ever come up is if you got a criminal flag in low-sec and then jumped to null. At that point though, you might as well turn off the safety and just do it because criminal flags are meaningless in null.

I'm pretty sure CCP said they just disabled all the crimewatch stuff in null to help with lag, so my assumption is you can. I've never seen it come up, though.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#16 - 2013-04-08 03:51:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:

Yeah you are fine. Now if the person you are assisting starts a ruckus you could be in trouble. But that's life.
(Note that's an "I Think", I've never lived in highsec)

It's entirely dependent of the specific nature of the ruckus.

I would like to pose a question about a very specific type of ruckus, awoxing.

Would I be right in assuming that repping someone who is not in your corp, but who is busy massacring his corpmates would not incur a suspect flag?

I'm going by the lack of flag given for killing corpies.

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Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-04-08 04:56:06 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:

Yeah you are fine. Now if the person you are assisting starts a ruckus you could be in trouble. But that's life.
(Note that's an "I Think", I've never lived in highsec)

It's entirely dependent of the specific nature of the ruckus.

I would like to pose a question about a very specific type of ruckus, awoxing.

Would I be right in assuming that repping someone who is not in your corp, but who is busy massacring his corpmates would not incur a suspect flag?

I'm going by the lack of flag given for killing corpies.


This one I do have first hand experience with. You can rep an awoxer, without getting any flags.

It was done to me. (I'm not the awoxer, was the awox-e. His alt sat there and gave him reps, and I could not shoot the alt.)
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#18 - 2013-04-08 05:06:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Thanks for the clarification, I was fairly sure that my assumption was right, just wanted to make certain. I'll now stash that knowledge and use it to my advantage someday Pirate

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Ultramar Independent Contracting
#19 - 2013-04-08 06:29:23 UTC
I would like to place the footnote that remote-repping an awoxer does not constitute any flags for the specific reason that attacking a corpmate simply isn't a criminal act.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#20 - 2013-04-09 00:12:42 UTC
Providing logi can sometimes be a suspect level offence.

Most notably, in a war situation. If A and B are at war and fighting and C provides remote assistance to A, C will get an immediate suspect flag. Or, if C's safety is set to green, C's remote assist modules will deactivate. (Remote assistance here includes remote repair, capacitor transfer, remote sensor boosting, projected ECCM and similar effects).

This also applies in limited engagments but not in intra-corp violence.

Also, if you provide remote assistance to someone with a Crimewatch yellow or red card, you inherit that card on a new, 15 minute timer. In other words, don't RR a smartbombing battleship in Jita.

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