Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Why are you so obsessed with making all ships across the races generically the same?

Getting sick of seeing Dev after Dev push us towards jumping into Generic Cruiser or Generic Frigate and now Generic Dreadnought. It's like the art police who demand every ship was symmetrical.

no point in typing out a meaningful cogent argument as to why this is bad as you wont change your mind so I will settle with "you suck"

Fair enough


Fake Edit: That loss to a rifter so does totally count!

cool, so glad my capital missile skills are going to complete waste now

glad I trained capital missiles for the sole purpose of the nag (I have no caldari skills above BC)



if your going to take the missiles off the nag, at least give minmatar pilots the option of refunding the capital torp/cruise missile skills


I mean it's not like it was people that trained the skills for a FOTM ship fit or something, it was THE dread, the only dread...it was missile skills or you don' t get to fly a dread

Is this a joke? what the heck are the 2 shield based ships supposed to do with +50 hull? (not like you see them flown around more in comparison to the other ships either)

I am reasonably sure you have never actually flown a frigate.

To CCP, seriously. Consider trying to make 2 frigates per race balanced (In addition to faction) and THEN worry about the rest.

Doing otherwise leads to increased work load, longer waits for fixes, crap fixes when they come (+50 armor, seriously? When you said "Big rifter changes soon) and the more there are, the harder they are to balance.

As it sits, Merlin, Incursus, Condor, Tristan, Atron all feel pretty solid.

I have no idea on the Breacher, I havent flown it.

Kestrel and Executioner, some like them, some dont. Havent flown them.

The Slasher got hit particularly hard by the ASB changes, but 4 mids and its speed still make a web/scram/AB/td platform workable.

Rifter, Punisher, Tormentor need love. The Rifter just sucks, the Tormentor suffers from low speed, low DPS, and difficult fitting, and the Punisher has the same issues it has always had. Maybe the Punisher should receive some kind of opt bonus instead of its damage bonus so it can fly more like a cheaper, slower slicer, and use MF at more than 3k range? Also, you know, you could just give the Rifter +1 turret OR move its utility high to a low. Not sure which I'd prefer, but either would be workable. The more subtle options, like Fozzie's suggested 50 Armor/1 PG really wont make a difference on their own. These coupled with a speed change, perhaps? Tormentor, fitting seems to be its issue, I guess? Never flown one, never fought one... I imagine because its bad?

Make the frigate -> cruiser -> whatever progression make sense. Amarr, for instance, have a few ships with an opt range bonus, and a few with drone bays/neuts. Minmatar at the cruiserlevel have falloff bonused skirmishers and in your face brawlers. Gallente have drone / rep boats and facemelting gankboats. Etc, etc.

T1 frigs, you learn your flavor, of 1 of 2 tactics for that race, depending on hull (Assuming looking at 2 hulls per category, using the cruisers as a baseline)

Faction frigs, you get a mix of the two.

T2 frigs, like AFs, expand on the T1 idea. Retri, for instance, gets opt bonus and now a damage bonus that the T1 flavor (The punisher, for example) didnt have. Wolf gets falloff bonus and a tracking bonus, and so on.

At the moment, ships seem to just kind of be all over the board.

Alternatively, let me fit 4x Heavy Sunshine Dispenser IIs on my Rifter and I will go to Amamake and spread the joy!

There is nothing wrong with split weapon system ships. What there is a problem with is introducing new ships without thinking about the balancing beforehand. So glad my time invested in training for capital missiles is now wasted just to pander to the people like yourself who don't have the patience to train up for stuff.

Sorry Fozzie but this change reflects the continued insistence on dumbing down the game and pushing it towards being just a generic MMO with generic MMO mechanics and styles. There is a good reason EvE has survived 10 years and not died like most other generic MMO's. Becoming more like the failed opposition is not how you develop the game.

Rifter:
Dmg/rof + range bonus and a 4th turret.
Or dmg+rof bonus like Hurricane and Rupture.

Punisher:
More speed, more cap, a drone, and maybe a launcher (some bigger amarr t1 ships have launcher hardpoints, but none of the frigates), without a web and with the poor tracking of lasers this ship has problems applying it's full damage.
Or give it a 3rd mid and change it's role to that of a tanky drone boat with unbonused turrets and launchers like the Prophecy. Amarr do not have a drone bonused frigate, why?

EW frigs:
The Crucifier could have been the Amarr drone frigate, why only 3 drones?
I don't like the Vigil. I know it's main role is EW, but it's bigger version, the Bellicose, can be used as a combat ship, so why the Vigil must be so useless? The exploration frigs are more pvp capable.

Not sure if you're doing a balance pass on support frigates, but I've noticed that where logistics are called for in a frigate gang, the Scythe is substantially superior to both of the shield support frigates. It can fit a decent tank, is fast enough to keep up with anything except an interceptor, has twice the effective range, better repair output, and better tank.

test server : naglfar 3 hs / 2 guns

50% special bonus to projectile damage
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5% rate of fire level
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5% damage bonus level

isnt that a little bit too much?

waiting for the day revelations will have 5 bonuses :D