Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So - Armour and Shield fits are being made to be the same in terms of what the end result of the ships will be. Same Speed - damage - range - etc. Or at least CCP are engineering them to move to converge and to be more similar. I never saw the issue with variation. But everything seems to now need to be the same - I don't think making everything the same is balance at its best. I thought CCP had already done something to make Armour tanking better? I thought Armour tanking let you have more tackle and EWar? I thought it gave you more tank than Shield - so you could perhaps mitigate Shield tanking's bigger DPS?

I guess we will all just start using Gyros instead of TEs and forget flying and tactics - we can just charge at one another and turn our guns on - because we'll all be in scram and web range now - (or doing no damage is the other option). So - Fit a TE1 - because that is what the TE2 now will be - or a Gyro2. Hmmm. Yeah - So my TEs are going in the same bucket as the Drone Link Augmentors I used to like went into. Refine.

We could simplify EvE even more. . . . I'm wondering if, going forward, we even need modules. . . .

One does not simply use TE's for 5 years unchanged and suddenly break them. They are broke because you say they are broke when they were never broke to begin with. Your changing the way people play the game. Its more then a nerf its a game changer. But oh well I was never a fan of kiting anyways. The closer the better. But the point is its not the mods that are overpowered, its the way people always invent new fits that are deemed overpowered when they are simply just so powerful. Dominance is all in the creativeness of the fitting. When Kil2 use to fly Talos's he could kill fleets with it. So anything that can do that should be nerfed according to CCP so nerf a major mod that effects everybody and force them to fight at closer ranges with medium ranged weapons. It may as well be close range because weapons for medium range now will only be effective at close range. Of course forcing us to use a mid slot for a TC just to get range also nerfs the tanks of a lot of ships players want to shield tank making them have even less EHP. These nerfs are tba getting out of hand because they are stealth nerfing shield tanks on common ships.

The talos and cane are not the ships that are getting range boosts. The T2-TE will be as effective as a T1-TE. They might want to fix that.

Err. Not that I saw. Range buff on hulls - show me more. Because from what I can see. . ..

1 ship got their falloff upgraded. The stabber.

1 ship got their optimal uprated. Some Amarr thing.

I'm sorry - what other hulls are getting their falloff / optimal enhanced to coincide with this nerf?

What??? Ohh - OK - So we really don't need modules than - because it's the hull that should determine what the ship does - because "in the spirit of balance we need to move buffs from the modules onto the hulls" ? Then just have done with it and get rid of modules.

TE wasn't "giving all ships a buff" - It was only buffing the ships it was fitted to. You wouldn't ever have given a missile boat a TE2 that would be a fail fit. Obviously. Just because you could put a TE on a missile ship doesn't make them OP.

To be perfectly honest, I don't think that TE's should have ever been buffed up like this 4 years ago. I think it's wrong that a passive module should ever out perform an active one. with this nerf, in some respects it still does, but at least not to the point of having people say "wtf are you putting that TC on your ship? get a TE!" I honestly think that since the TC is an active mod, it should actually still get abit of a buff out of all of this yet, too.

Well it's done now. And this thread's finished.

I just wish they'd say why - What was the design intent ? They've reduced the range at which fights happen and pulled everything within Scram and web range. To what end?

I'm sorry Minmatar were OP - I didn't want them to be when I chose them. I didn't realise they were so OP that it'd take 6 months of solid development effort to nerf them back to "balanced" and that it would wipe out so many play styles en-route.

I wish I'd chosen Caldari instead.


I miss my Hurricane.

Damn, seeing the topic's name I thought CCP is actually making a change towards missiles being affected by TCs/TEs.
Sadly there was none.
Are we going to see this change in the summer patch?

CCP is not increasing or giving vessel bonuses to counter the proposed changes to tracking enhancer at all.

In the past. skirmishing was limited to specialized vessels.

Back then I was aware of heavy missile Drakes and shield-Harbingers being used solo in early 2008. So it was clear most ships bonused for lasers and missiles were capable of skirmishing. Even though they lacked dominance in overall velocity.

However. When CCP changed tracking enhancers near all Minmatar vessels could now skirmish (not just the Vagabond). Instantly bringing them from the dirt that is close range combat and leaving Gallente completely behind. There by removing specialization and adding to ubiquity. Near every ship is now able to skirmish and are fitted for that purpose.

Removing that ubiquity makes alot of sense. Furthur, the Hurricane and many other Minmatar vessels are dangerous artillery platforms. I dont need to tell those who are not ret@rded that a fleet of shield-artillery-Hurricanes is superior to a fleet of shield-autocannon-Hurricanes.

Minmatar have a near overpowered long range weapon system. CCP has said nothing about touching it. Hope they dont because near every other race now has a ship better than Minmatar vessels at skirmishing.

When it comes to combat battlecruisers at skirmishing solo:

1. Drake (Ham (javelin), Hml)
2. Harbinger (pulse laser)
3. Hurricane (autocannon)

When it comes to attack battlecruisers at skirmishing solo:

1. Talos (blaster)
2. Oracle (pulse laser)
3. Tornado (autocannon)

When it comes to t1 cruisers at skirmishing solo:

1. Caracal (Ham (javelin), light missile)
2. Omen (pulse laser)
3. Bellicose (Ham (javelin), light missile)
4. Rupture (autocannons)

The combat battlecruisers have been much the same for awhile now. The rest is what it is.


- killz

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