Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So, to encourage industry in null, you want to screw up supply lines to high and low sec? You don't think this would be more likely to drive people back to highsec where production is much easier and safer?

Making null more profitable for industry than highsec would achieve your goal much better. Screwing the supply lines would not.

Yeah, then ppl unsubs their industrial alts and everybody gets to use meta 4 mods.

Screwing up supply lines to high and lowsec? People can still freight stuff between these zones. How does no JD affect that, other than increase the risk?


OP is a hauler; not into ganking in a badger. Fail attempt at misinterpreting what I mean.


Would need to travel the whole way between high and null if wishing to maintain complete cover for the freighters. Exposed to ganking by the empire corps.

No wonder there's a whiff of fear in these responses. I must be onto something.

Why not? Null corps could still use NPC alts, it would be harder, but it could be done.



Again, why? I don't see it. You could use a NPC alt, put him in fleet. Tell everyone not to shoot so-and-so, clear the low sec gate, JF jumps in and then Jumps several AU into "safe" null sec space.



You will not get more null sec industry this way. The best way to get more null sec industry is to create incentives for null sec industry, not attempt to put in disincentives for high sec industry via nerfing logistics, because players are going to be very creative at minimizing risk, especially with an 8 billion isk JF.



Most likely result, you'll get null sec blocks setting up 100+ man anti-camps in low sec entry points, or for groups like Goons no change at all given they often perma-camp the EC-/Torrinos gate already.



1. There is no existing mechanic for a war between the high sec empires and null sec.
2. Economic PVP has been won hands down by high sec.
3. Making it harder to use high sec's awesome economic capabilities is the wrong way to go.
4. Make the economic capabilities of null sec more viable.

Instead of being able to jump right out of hisec the freighter would need to make the journey through the gates to get to nulsec. Saying it would be harder is to fail to grasp the logistical nightmare ahead of the freighter.


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal the freighter needs to move out of hisec. Fleets do not protect the freighter unless they are of the same corp, so that changes nothing.


If you bother to read the title of this topic it isn't about promoting nulsec industry.


How is that helping the freighter in its journey through hisec? Your attempt to confuse the topic being discussed has failed.

1. Any alliance can wardec any alliance so this assertion is false.
2. There was never any competition between sov and empire markets so this is also false.
3. This is promoting PvP between empire and sov so I think it's most certainly the way to go.
4. They are already viable. Players in sov would rather shoot stuff than create it. Fine! The price you pay is the empire alliances waiting to pick you off when you come into their space. Similar to how sov alliances attack anyone coming into their space.

I think the poster has identified some problems facing eve however i don't think the ability of one sov null alliance to strike at another is the problem. Null industry is pointless atm, null sec only exporting PI, high end minerals and moon goos. If you want to solve the issue with null industry the only solution is to make finished products that can only be built in null either through large volume inputs only produced in null making it cost prohibitive to move the raw materials to HS or sov mechanics limiting the building of certain items to sov owned space like supercap construction. Neither solution would harm high sec industry and would add to the overall game.

My 2 Cents

There's two issues, that I see myself.
The distance of a single jump, that makes it pointless to hold small area of , null space, and the overall inefficiency of industry in null.I have no idea, what part of a brain CCP used to put intentionally prohibitive coefficients to POS refining and manufacturing modules
These two, coupled together, make null manufacturing pointless.

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Fine, so you include low sec. What about other jump capable ships? How come they can jump into and out of low sec?

Did you think about that? No? *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal



Great, so we'll get even less. Brilliant.


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I wrote that there is no way for null sec to have a war with high sec empires...the latter would be the Amarr Empire, the Gallenete Federation, the Minmatar Republic, and the Caldari Empire.

You wont promote PvP this way. People are not going to just feed you or anyone else easy kills. Nobody is going to say, "Woot convoy duty!!!" People will avoid providing easy kills and boring stuff. As such you'll most likely turn null into even more of a Ghost Town...except for some alliances that have high-sec/null sec entry points such as EC-/Torrinos.

And have you looked at how combat mechanics work in this game? It is entirely possible that those pilots after these freighters can warp in and alpha them well before their convoy does jack **** about it. People have been ganking freighters in high sec where the response is ****ing Concord and guess what, freighters still die.

So no. This is a stupid idea.

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I had not forgotten other ships use JD.

You have been insulting people in this thread right from the start. Changing their names to things like "confused" and "fail". You have been insulting people's intelligence. And implying they are on medication for pointing to other problems (e.g. capitals that spend almost all their time in low sec). So spare us the faux indignation.



No, because if big alliances with lots of pilots can't get their stuff in and out of null, smaller alliances will have even more trouble. And, they would have the same logistical nightmares of the bigger alliances with even less resources (read pilots) to deal with them. And are going to be even less reluctant to feed easy kills to those in low sec. They wont have the resources to handle losses of a couple of jump freighters.



Yes NPC-corp alts would function just fine. They can be in an NPC corp and still join the fleet and get all the benefits of being in fleet...what few there are. And even if they were in the same corp they would be just as susceptible to alpha strikes as when they are in and NPC corp.

When you wrote:



That is actually about the only thing you have written that is correct...but it also means you wont see the freighter convoys you are talking about.

And here is an alternate scenario to your "smaller alliances might move to null" you'll get even fewer super coalitions. As I already noted Goons and the CFC have the EC-/Torrinos entry to null, Torrinos is high sec, EC- null. And goons already camp EC- fairly regularly...so the JF warps to the EC- gate jumps in, then jumps to VFK. Samething for moving null sec supplied goods (PI and tech 2 components). So the CFC would not be bothered too much. And TEST/HBC would probably be okay too using Efah/3-F. Granted Efah is low sec, but it is one system so very doable for a coalition the size of the HBC. And they have Keberz/HED entry point as well.

The South East and Eastern portions of null might have issues and could end up falling to TEST/HBC/CFC or some other super-coalition eventually since there isn't a high sec/null sec entry point (that I can see, haven't spent much time down there). And NPC null like Stain and Venal? Nobody will live there anymore other than the surrounding null sec coalition members. Currently 401k is basing out of Venal and hitting goons, but with no way of doing logistics from empire to Venal, they would be...well screwed. Can't evac their supers, titans, carriers and dreads to low sec and they can't jump to any surrounding sov space. NPC Delve...it would be held entirely by TEST/HBC since nobody could do logistics there anymore either.

So much of NPC null will no longer be home to alliances like 401k, Black Legion nor could they be used effectively as staging systems for invasions (e.g. IT used Fountain core for its invasion, NPC Delve is often the staging point for wars/invasions of Delve, similarly the the NPC space in Pure Blind). This could very well make null sec even more stagnant and dominated by just a handful of giant coalitions...much like the Chinese server.

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