Player Features and Ideas Discussion

On the contrary, the postings by my detractors have provided all the reasons why it's a very valid suggestion. The obsessive belief that JF is the only way to supply sov space, as shown in most of the postings, demonstrates that conflict will increase should sov choose to keep open supply lines to/from hisec. Losec pirates and hisec gankers would have more opportunities.

Conflict will increase should sov choose to become self-sufficient, as resources in nul become far more important to sov warfare and, therefore, a more important target.

Conflict will increase should sov not do enough of either and the current incumbents wither due to resource starvation, giving others the chance to move in. This point would be the one to scare sov the most, as hisec brings its industrial might to bear and alliances fancy a go at null.

As I've stated before: while I understand the reluctance of the current incumbents of sov to see their stranglehold loosen, that doesn't invalidate my idea in the least.

Which says volumes about those who howl over the very thought of JFs having more problems.

Appreciation of my Evasive Manouevres is always welcome, thank you. :)

Yes, this will have far-reaching ramifications for the game as a whole.

However:

• 80% of the player base is in hisec, or so I'm led to believe;
• CCP want more people to go into nulsec. This has been stated on many occasions;
• Sov space is in the vice-like grasp of a few alliances, supported by hisec.

It makes sense to do something to make sov more attractive to the 80%, rather than easier for the 20% to remain dominant. This simple change to the game will make it more likely by making local industry a LOT more important, due to remote industry being harder to access. This will alter the game balance, favouring more hte hisec industrials. Obviously, else sov wouldn't depend on them so much.

The attitudes of many posters show they will whine tooth-and-nail to keep open the caravan lanes; hence the increase in PvP opportunities. While I appreciate the current possessors not wanting this change I believe it will push the game in the direction as stated above.

I don't see how this creates more pvp, asakai wasn't in null. This is basically a long thread about your inability to plan ahead when going after jfs.

Not so.

The game has settled into this stagnant doughnut surrounding empire. Sov is inaccessible to anyone not already part of it, or wanting to bow to those who have already claimed it. The incumbents keep themselves 'unsinkable' by heavy use of empire industry.

My idea was not about going after JF as such. It's all about wrecking the supply lines between sov and the part of New Eden that is effectively shut out of sov. As JF are used heavily in the caravans they are the obvious targets of this initiative, and empires refusing to allow the activation of JD is a very simple and VERY effective way of making this happen.

Now, contrary to the snears that were in evidence before the ISD-carnage on this topic, I have been active in sov space for long enough to understand stuff; obviously not THIS toon. Some of the points regarding industry were valid to a degree.

Pos refineries. Yeah, the yield from these suckers stinks, however the refineries themselves don't need to be altered. A simple fix would be to incorporate the players refining skills into the yield calculations. This would enable players to get decent refining from even those 35% refineries. Messing with the refinery yields themselves would break the 'reward based on effort' ideal. You want high yields then train the refining skills.

Outposts are odd. While I understand the specialisation of them, I fail to understand why they can't all be upgraded to enable them to function in a similar fashion. I don't want everything to be homogenised, so it ought to be harder to get good refining on an amarr outpost than a Matar one; it's how they're designed. However, it ought to be possible for all types of outpost to boost all types of functionality through upgrades.

I doubt these changes would have any effect, however. Sov is so addicted to easy replenishment of armaments from empire that the incumbents will fight tooth and nail to keep the status quo, and I don't mean in-game fighting. Fair enough, they don't want to lose their stranglehold on sov. However, that in no way invalidates the proposal, which I believe MUST be credible in most peoples' eyes or it wouldn't have attracted such hostility.

And this is not because of Jumpdrives or the dependance on Hi-sec Industry.

This is 100% because of NAP fests between members of OTEC in this game who want to keep their little monopoly on moon mining.

So your real problem is emergent gameplay and your solution is to break the game.

Disrupting the supply lines works both ways, how to get the goo to hisec - read jita - in order to capitalise on it. Shipping it in is one thing; getting your ship out again is another matter. Their little monopoly takes a caning without secure shipping lanes.

As for the last sentence: this doesn't break the game, it just scares people who are involved in this monopoly. It also shakes hard the monopoly's hold on sov space. This must be the case, else you wouldn't be so aggressively against it.

This would not increase opportunities for pvp, in fact it limits it.

Clearly you fear this idea. Therefore you must be part of OTEC and the idea is simply marvelous.

What do you jokers think happened before Jump Freighters were put in?

You actually had convoys, with escorts, and interdictions/commerce raiding. Hell, convoy runs from Tenal down to Taisy 'back in the day' were some of the best fleets I've been on.