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well in some cases yes that would be true but on other cases the person you are hunting is just one step ahead of you. so in all you can either find a easy target or you can spend all day going after one person

Yes, but let the null sec bots live in peace, after all, Goonswarm's job not to play police for CCP and Goons don't **** other Goons amirite?

There are no goons who bot.

Weaseliors GIANT WALL OF TEXT crits you for 1,000,000

TLDR version:

"I want CCP to make high-sec ganking easier because I don't think high-sec is any fun! (add red herring about bots here)"

That is a specious and naive argument.

Some folks prefer a different play style. Not everyone wants to pvp. This is not to say they should be made perfectly safe...not as much fun if your results are guaranteed.

Isn't the point of nullsec to go there and do nullsec stuff? You aren't doing anyone any favors by trying to force your preferred style of play on them.

As sandbox game, Eve is a troll/griefer paradise because death has no serious consequences, and neither does losing a ship. It's not like gankers care much about standings when they can always roll an alt with better manners...:)

In fact I think we should add npc podkills in 1.0 sec which will add another cost element to peoples ganking plans.

People do stuff all the time in this game that if eve WAS real life, would result in lots of contracts to hunt them, their clones and their DNA down to be put out of commission permanently.

This isn't real life, it's a game, a business with customers. Customers like options and choices. Some want to mine and sell, some want to run around and shoot stuff.

We already have enough options to have fun at other peoples expense. There is no reason to add more...:P

Problem #1 here, Capsuleers, like military special forces, are unspokenly above the law. upon theyre indoctriniation into capsuleer ranks, they are expected to do wahtever it takes through whatever means to achieve their goals, so much so that empires can't really do much to stop them, which is why CONCORD was formed to punish them, but concord themselves ahs no say with the empires so capsuleers will continue to clone.

Ginourmous wall of text incoming...

1.) Special Ops are usually not as above the law as movies and news make them out to be. Most of the good stuff civilians never hear about anyway unless it's very important for civilians to hear or it goes horribly wrong and the deploying nation or it's intended target speak of it.

2.) If there were rogue operators running around creating trouble the way people do in EVE they would likely compromise their identities and eventually be neutralized either by capture or termination. Plenty of other operators willing to take those jobs.

EVE has no fines, no incarceration and no execution. Fines, unless excessive, won't have any effect and even if we scaled fines with security level and number of offenses i'm still not sold that they would have any significant effect. The other two obviously won't work in an MMO.

How many sovereign nations on earth would allow a bunch of freaks to constantly fly around their airspace dogfighting with live weapons? How about flying in helicopters to loot walmart at gunpoint? (Hmm may have to reconsider the walmart thing...)

Do you really think a sovereign star nation would allow the same thing in their space?

Matilda: "Oh look bob it's those frisky capsuleers again, they blew up your mom."
Bob: "Was she insured?"

Not so much.

This isn't about utopia or a perfect world. Sovereign nations that can't keep their citizens mostly safe from pirates and military incursions by foreign powers won't be sovereign nations for very long.

"This is a pvp game so everyone should be forced to pvp." That's a laugh. Combat leads to PTSD, mental breakdowns and often death or dismemberment or disfigurement. Since these things don't exist in EVE and there aren't any true consequences people think they should have the right to inflict themselves upon others whenever and wherever they want, unlike real civilization where police, military and civilians would take greater exception to what they are doing and take steps to hunt them down and stop them...permanently.

Economic issues?...Pfft...anyone can do business in high, low or null sec if they so choose. Silly to even talk about this.

What all this high-sec nonsense really comes down to is:

1.) Starve them out of high-sec and into null-sec (lower mission and incursion rewards and make it less easy for players to do peaceful business in high-sec, cap POS stations etc.)

Let's force players to do things they don't want to do. Gold star to whomever thought of this.

Maybe you haven't noticed but MOST people LIKE doing peaceful business in relative safety and their money goes into the military machine that keeps them safe and HAS AN INCENTIVE to do so---control and more money to keep the military going.

Silly to have a game with sovereign star nations that won't/can't protect their tax paying citizens...Hello, McFly...

EVE isn't a bunch of gangs and pirate camps, it's a group of sovereign star nations with regular militaries and police forces. Frankly I don't think there is ENOUGH npc military response in some places. If people don't feel safe, they will likely move themselves and their money elsewhere...less taxes=less funds for the military.


2.) Drive them out of high-sec and into null-sec. (Allow easier ganking and piracy.)

Another gold star. Go see that part about sovereign nations. Did i mention lots of folks don't mind paying someone else to do that nasty military stuff while they peacefully make money? EVE was clearly designed to allow that to happen.

Why make peaceful economic pursuits available at all if the plan is to have the hearts of sovereign nations like a mad max movie where anytime anyone can stroll in, burn down someones house, shoot their dog and steal their car and the bad guys only loss will be the car they drove?

If you want the wild, wild west go make a wild, wild west game. Oh wait we have that in EVE: it's called null-sec.

Quit trying to turn high-sec into 24/7 WWII Britain, Mad Max, or the wild, wild west.

Matilda: "Oh look bob it's those frisky capsuleers again, they blew up your mom."
Bob: "Was she insured?"

Indeed.

Your sandbox has castles in it just like it would in real life and they are there to keep you from doing the one thing you want most: 24/7 piracy wherever you feel like it to force people to pvp when they might not want to...

It's not even slightly reasonable to ask for that.

Move along. Nothing to see here.

new player doesn't mine in hulk or mackinaw, he doesn't even know what ice is for

new player doesn't do level 4 missions, he doesn't have enough standings to get agent talk to him, and they're way too difficult for him to complete anyway.

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If it is all one damage type then unless it deals more damage omni tanking could be done just as effectively.

How do resists of omin tanking match up to dual damage type tanking? Or single damage tanking?

That would give a big boast to reducing the number of slots for tanking if NPCS deal only one damage type instead of two, current 'basic' system uses one large rep, and 2 of each specifics. Geting 3 of the same type of hardener may not do much help, so people may just use two.


And, even if they deal more damage, a person (correction bot) may omni tank still, and dual rep.

Rumor says ccp is removing insurance from concord kills.

Basicly this means botting boost. Vast majority of low value suicide gank targets are botting mission runners, haulers or miners who fly in cheaply fit ships barely worth of ganking even with insurance.

For those real and dumb people flying in stupidly expensive ships or with stupidly expensive cargo this insurance change makes no difference they will be shot on sight anyhow.

So basicly what ccp is doing is not making pvp in hi sec more sensible. They want to make this game new WoW.