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RIP Yanala...?

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Sorjat
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-03-27 19:48:55 UTC
I've been eagerly watching the unfolding events on Luminaire and watchhing all holo newsreals... things are happening so fast!

Some of us are wondering... did Admiral Visera Yanala's escape pod activate? If so is she in either Gallente or Calderi hands? Given the recent comments of Caldari State Executor Tibus Heth broadcasted from the front of Caldari Providence Directorate headquarters we are seeking any news of her current disposition. Will she be tried for treason?

There is also the small matter of her murdering General Odo Korachi in the performance of his duties as a member of the Concord Directive Enforcement Department enforcing the Yulai Convention... Surely the Concord Assembly would like to discuss that matter with her in person...

Of course, if the pod failed to eject, it stands to reason it is still inside what is left of the Shiigeru... it was afterall the engineering decks that were destroyed. The command systems are in the most protected part of the ship and that is still (mostly) intact. In any case, Admiral Yanala's demise while being of interest... we are very curious about the ship flight recorder showing us a detailed parsing of the damage it sustained. We suspect too, that the Calderi flagship contains more than a few Calderi State secrets.. are any expeditions in the planning stages to mount searches of the wreck??

We also wonder too, what might the Caldari state do to keep its secrets...

Thanks for all the excellent posts to date and please keep us informed!

Sorjat,
Gallente Capsuleer

Insanity is not hubris, not pride; it is inflation of the ego to its ultimate - confusion between him who worships and that which is worshipped. Man has not eaten God; God has eaten man.

-- PKD

Calathorn Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-03-27 20:23:25 UTC
The State has no comment at this time

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Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#3 - 2013-03-27 23:12:15 UTC
The CONCORD commander wasn't murdered, his pod was left intact and he fled the scene. Had he been killed it wouldn't have been murder anyway, he was in violation of a Caldari No-Fly Zone and didn't have the authority to demand anything from a Caldari Admiral. None of what he demanded is covered or given authority to the DED.

As for the wreck of the Shiigeru, the remains of the ship is State property. Any tampering or unauthorized salvaging of the vessel is in violation of Caldari law and the violators should be persecuted to the full extent of international law.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Toluijin Chagangan
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-03-28 00:19:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Toluijin Chagangan
The commander may not have been Simon, but every single CONCORD officer aboard most certainly was.

As for the repeated assertion that CONCORD could not make demands of the Capsuleer commander of the Shiigeru, the simple fact is, she was, and most likely still is, a capsuleer. Within a High security system. Therefore CONCORD had all the right it needed to make those demands.

You seem to forget that the Caldari signed up to the Yoiul Convention, therefore giving CONCORD those rights.
You can't claim foul when they attempt to use the rights granted to them just because it does not coincide with the wishes of the state. Especially given Yanala's response

Did the elders similarly breach the terms of the convention, well, that matter is more difficult, as they had left the 'republic' long before it was officially formed, and therefore were technically not signatories to the convention.
however, in the spirit of good will, i will agree that their fleet did do more damage than the Shiigeru, however, their losses during that battle were also far worse.


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Toluijin Chagangan
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-03-28 00:28:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Toluijin Chagangan
I would suggest reading up on salvage law also Simon.
Once abandoned or destroyed the salvage rights to any vessel belong to whoever salvages it.


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One Matari People.
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#6 - 2013-03-28 00:33:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Simon Louvaki
Toluijin Chagangan wrote:
The commander may not have been Simon, but every single CONCORD officer aboard most certainly was.


and that commander put those people at risk by repeatedly threatening and making demands for sensitive information of a State warship via live comms.

Toluijin Chagangan wrote:
As for the repeated assertion that CONCORD could not make demands of the Capsuleer commander of the Shiigeru, the simple fact is, she was, and most likely still is, a capsuleer. Within a High security system. Therefore CONCORD had all the right it needed to make those demands.


The Shigeru isn't simply some independent capsuleer vessel, it was property of the Caldari State on business in Caldari air space over a Caldari planet preforming military operations aimed at aiding besieged ground units against enemy forces. If the Shigeru was an independent capsuleer vessel I would absolutely agree, but given the situation I firmly believe the DED agent was overstepping his boundaries and borderline in violation of CONCORDS neutrality.

Toluijin Chagangan wrote:
You seem to forget that the Caldari signed up to the Yoiul Convention, therefore giving CONCORD those rights.
You can't claim foul when they attempt to use the rights granted to them just because it does not coincide with the wishes of the state. Especially given Yanala's response


I am fully aware we signed the Yoiul Convention and it does not give CONCORD the rights to demand nor interfere in the individual affairs of the member nation States. CONCORD has clearly stated that various times before and most recently when many capusuleers (prior to the Federal assault) had been petitioning CONCORD (including myself) for action by taking over security in the region, to which their respond was exactly that they couldn't intervene until the convention was breached. The DED was certainly not reflecting that statement as the convention hadn't been breached.

Toluijin Chagangan wrote:

Did the elders similarly breach the terms of the convention, well, that matter is more difficult, as they had left the 'republic' long before it was officially formed, and therefore were technically not signatories to the convention.
however, in the spirit of good will, i will agree that their fleet did do more damage than the Shiigeru, however, their losses during that battle were also far worse.


The Elder didn't breach the convention because they didn't sign it. The Elders and Republic are not, or at least weren't at the time, a singular entity. I believe you and I agree fully on that for certain, but at the same time its irrelevant. We gain nothing by comparing the individual actions of independent entities to that of nation states.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#7 - 2013-03-28 00:35:23 UTC
Toluijin Chagangan wrote:
I would suggest reading up on salvage law also Simon.
Once abandoned or destroyed the salvage rights to any vessel belong to whoever salvages it.


I highly doubt that any of the Big Eight will agree to such a notion, especially in this case.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Calathorn Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-03-28 00:44:44 UTC
so outta my league when trying to RP

BRING BACK THE JUKEBOX

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Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#9 - 2013-03-28 00:51:36 UTC
Ha! so am I. I look like a chump compared to Caldari RPers like Scherezad, Vikarion and Malchom Khross.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#10 - 2013-03-28 02:50:01 UTC
Yanala is a capsuleer, she stated so during the prelims of the Event, so assuming she didn't eject, she cloned somewhere in Caldari space. Which from the sounds of Heths statement, may not be good for her.
Now sure she 'could' have been kying, but likely not.

Also the Yulai convention covers more than just Capsuleers from what the DED officer was saying, but also covers mass bombardment of civilian populations from what he was saying. And given how senior an officer he was, I doubt he had the Yulai convention wrong. So it seems that DED had perfectly good reason to suspect the Yulai convention was about to be breached and to try and act in advance.
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#11 - 2013-03-28 03:23:48 UTC
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/DED

This is what we know about the DED. There is nothing there to support the DED's actions so its just as possible he was getting too big for his breeches as well.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Gabriel Darkefyre
Gradient
Electus Matari
#12 - 2013-03-28 13:10:07 UTC
From what was Claimed, the DED Battleship was there to ensure Compliance with the Yulai Convention.

Couldn't find this in the Evelopedia outwith a few scattered references to it being signed. So it's entirely possible, until we see a full definition of what was contained in the Treaty, that the DED was acting within it's remit.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#13 - 2013-03-28 13:35:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevyn Auscent
Simon Louvaki wrote:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/DED

This is what we know about the DED. There is nothing there to support the DED's actions so its just as possible he was getting too big for his breeches as well.

It's possible, but that was a very senior member of DED commanding. So it's not some two bit captain getting uppity, but a serious ranking officer of DED. Given that, the most likely option is that if the Titan had bombarded the planet, it would have violated the Yulai convention, therefore DED were within their rights to intervene to ensure that didn't happen. Yanala chose to escalate, rather than assure both DED & the Capsuleers present that she had no plans to bombard the planet, despite the DED commander clearly stating that Bombardment would break the Yulai convention, instead opening fire on DED. Leading to most present to conclude she had intent to bombard the planet if conditions were met.
If she had never meant to bombard the planet, all she had to do was state such and DED would have likely backed down as their reason for appearance would have been removed.

As a side note, despite the fact he appeared in a capsule & warped off field, it appears like Odo might have not been meant to really be a capsuleer, as he is listed as R.I.P.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#14 - 2013-03-28 14:31:45 UTC
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Ha! so am I. I look like a chump compared to Caldari RPers like Scherezad, Vikarion and Malchom Khross.


D'awwwww.

I think you do a fantastic job, far better than my schizophrenic attempts.

As for the topic of the thread, whose fault it was...

CCP has created a wonderful grey zone here, in which both sides have valid points. CONCORD is indeed not allowed to mess with the sovereign rights of individual signatories. At the same time, it has jurisdiction over Capsuleers. What then for Capsuleers acting as agents for the sovereign rights of signatories? It's precedent-setting to a large extent, and more than likely a case for contract lawyers.

Not that this will stop the individuals involved from arguing about it until they're blue in the face, of course.

I eagerly wait to hear from Yanala, or at least of her. Hopefully not from a coroner's report.
Sorjat
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-03-28 14:44:53 UTC
I would like to thank my fellow capsuleers for their interesting input. Clearly, a few of us are very interested in Admiral Yanala's fate. If she did clone, then she is most certainly in the State's custody. If not, then where exactly? In the wreck?

Most important to all of us, given the potential long term consequences for galactic peace, we wonder what the State's official position was with regard to the Admiral's blatant violation of Yulai Convention. Was her action sanctioned by the State or do you repudiate them and declare that she acted on her own?

We invite Caldari State Executor Tibus Heth to personally weigh in on this matter and let us know his position.

Should General Odo Korachi also still be alive and cloned, his views and memory of the last moments before his consciousness was transferred to his new body would be of interest to us all. Among others, one would expect that he would be obliged to present a full report to the Concord Assembly.

As for the assembly, we absolutely need to know if the Caldari action breached Concord treaty stipulations. If indeed it did, then that forces you to take the only course of action open to you. Concord must immediately withdraw all Concord forces from Caldari space and patrolling that area will be done by the somewhat depleted Caldari naval forces. Regrettably this will cause a drop in the security rating of most Caldari systems pushing them from high-sec to low-sec, (or null), but Concord can only protect where the host government agrees to its presence and abides by the treaty conditions.

Speaking personally, whatever Yanala's fate and in whoever's hands she resides I sincerely hope that she receive a fair trial. As a Gallentian, we have long ago abolished the death penalty and in spite of the Admiral having waged war on us for centuries and killed thousands of my fellow citizens I humbly request that impartial justice prevail. I invite the Concord Assembly and Caldari State Executor Tibus Heth to assure us of the same.

Insanity is not hubris, not pride; it is inflation of the ego to its ultimate - confusion between him who worships and that which is worshipped. Man has not eaten God; God has eaten man.

-- PKD

Gabriel Darkefyre
Gradient
Electus Matari
#16 - 2013-03-28 16:02:11 UTC
Sorjat wrote:
I would like to thank my fellow capsuleers for their interesting input. Clearly, a few of us are very interested in Admiral Yanala's fate. If she did clone, then she is most certainly in the State's custody. If not, then where exactly? In the wreck?


You're unlikely to get In Character Answers here, this is an OOC forum.

I'd suggest reposting this on the IGS instead.
CCP Falcon
#17 - 2013-03-28 17:11:07 UTC

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Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#18 - 2013-03-28 19:46:20 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

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Sorjat
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-03-28 20:10:33 UTC
My thanks, Falcon, for your contribution, I like so many others eagerly await Yanala's fate. As I see it, her storyline could go in several paths that could be hugely engaging to the Eve Community... possibly Dust as well.

- Yanala returned to Caldari State Executor Tibus Heth. Under intense pressure after a naval defeat, he blames Yonala. Clearly, she had conspired with the enemies of the State and led to the destruction of her fleet. Mercy not being one of Heth's many qualities, he does not however wish to anger the Caldari Navy by a gruesome display of his fury. He shows mercy by allowing her to take her own life.

- Yanala returned to Concord. She does receive a fair trial, however, Concord is all about retribution... her clones are destroyed and she is then executed.

-Yanala in the hands of the Gallente would be a trohpy prisoner. A high ranking member of the State that has killed countless thousands of Gallentians. A State party member and among the best connected. After a trial, they would build a special prison for her... and there she would stay, its sole occupant, indefinitely.

- Another outcome might be that there is a faction within the Caldari Navy who would like see Yanala safely spirited away to null sec and back into retirement.... Yonala was well connected not only with the Caldari Navy but her family is also among the wealthiest and very well connected to Caldari corporations. The last thing they would want is Heath executing one of their own as their power would surely diminish. Nor would they ever want to see the Gallente or Concord put her on trial.

We can assume that whoever turns in Yonala would gain substantial reward/faction boost from any of the above groups... just a thought...

Incidentally and on a personal note, all my colleagues inform me that you are exceptionally well-connected. Should General Odo Korachi still be alive after the destruction of his vessel, I would like to humbly request and entrance pass to the visitor's gallery when he formally presents himself to the Concord Assembly...

I expect his testimony to be fascinating and the Caldari delegation I'm sure will be their usual charming selves. The General, a consumate professional not prone to emotional displays, however, after just having his ship destroyed, crew lost and consciousness transferred across time and space would in all likelihood not be in the best of moods...

That is one event I would not want to miss!

My best and regards to all.

Sorjat,
Gallente Capsuleer.

Insanity is not hubris, not pride; it is inflation of the ego to its ultimate - confusion between him who worships and that which is worshipped. Man has not eaten God; God has eaten man.

-- PKD

Calathorn Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-03-28 20:33:39 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

All will be revealed in good time. Big smile





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