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[Odyssey] T1 Cruiser Polish Pass

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Boris Amarr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2013-03-27 20:11:33 UTC
May be Maller should get more PG to get possibility to fit Heavy Pulse Laser II and 1600 Armor Plate?
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
#42 - 2013-03-27 20:14:51 UTC
Or you can use 800mm plate...

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Boris Amarr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2013-03-27 20:17:03 UTC
Maller is to slow. It should have advantage to fit 1600 plate in comparison with Omen. Omen is attack cruiser and 800 plate enough for it.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#44 - 2013-03-27 20:28:12 UTC
No plan to make the Maller usable for solo? (Just do what you did with the Navy aug except with 1 gun instead of 2...)



Also with the omen, If you're going to give it a ROF bonus you should increase the cap bonus to compensate.. Its kinda silly to have two bonuses that work against each other.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-03-27 22:21:04 UTC
if you want the T1 logi to be less proficient i would suggest looking at the 1000% bonus here.....

'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?  ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high

Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#46 - 2013-03-27 22:32:36 UTC
I don't agree with the knee jerk tendency to add drone bays to all ships.

You might as well consider equipping every ship with hardpoints for both turrets and launchers, too. And, you might as well give all ships the same number of slots, same CPU/PG, etc. That would certainly make balancing a lot easier.

Tiericide is one thing; homogeneous ships are another - and bad - thing.

If you want to buff the Stab, then consider doing it some other and more unique way, such as a bit more speed.
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
#47 - 2013-03-27 23:33:38 UTC
Sizeof Void wrote:
I don't agree with the knee jerk tendency to add drone bays to all ships.
Perhaps I missed something. I was under the impression the Stabber already had a dronebay and that they were simply increasing it's size and b/w. I was also under the impression that it was the only ship out of the 6 addressed that had it's drone bay altered. I am curious how this constitutes "all ships".

Or perhaps you were merely commenting in general. Which leaves one to wonder why you bothered to do so in this thread.



Or maybe it's somebody else that is having a kneejerk reaction?
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#48 - 2013-03-28 00:36:45 UTC
Vladimir Norkoff wrote:
Sizeof Void wrote:
I don't agree with the knee jerk tendency to add drone bays to all ships.

Or perhaps you were merely commenting in general. Which leaves one to wonder why you bothered to do so in this thread.

Mostly in general, I suppose. Fozzie has added or increased drone bays on quite a few ships during the rebalance. Too many, I think.

But,also specific to the Stabber. I don't see that it needs a drone bay.

And, since this is a Fozzie thread, and it is only 3 pages long (so far), I'm hoping he'll read my comment here before it gets buried. :)
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2013-03-28 01:50:57 UTC
Stabber was being made usles exaclty because it lacked drone bay. Its a fast heavy tackler, it need drone bays to deal with the ships that it will face ( mostly frigates).



Stabber had drone bay in the past before the tiercide removed if i remember correclty . Or was only the fleet version...?

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Suyer
Half Empty
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#50 - 2013-03-28 01:56:37 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
mynnna wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:

We are also giving some moderate improvements to the two lowest performing attack cruisers, the Stabber and Omen.


Those look like some decidedly potent changes. But I'm more interested in the bolded - I'm curious how you're coming up with the "lowest performing"?


Couple of ways. The more subjective judgement from flying with them and watching for them on TQ (and following feedback in multiple places) plays a part, but objectively I can say for instance that the number of people getting on killmails with Omens and Stabbers on a daily basis is clustered quite significantly lower than Caracals and Thorax.



Wait.

Wait.

Wait.

So.

The stabber and omen, both of which rely somewhat heavily on TE's are the worst performing? And you're nerfing TE's?

>mfw
The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-03-28 02:02:06 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
Seems pretty good overall, although I think the maller could use a touch more capacitor.


Or maybe lose a turret and get a + 10 damage bonus Harbinger style.
Lychton Kondur
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#52 - 2013-03-28 02:51:11 UTC
Quote:
Stabber:
Change falloff bonus from the 7.5% per level to the standard 10% per level
+25m3 Dronebay and 25mbit bandwidth


Yum...

As a new player who just seated into a Stabber, my one "wish list" item was for drone capability.

Thank you 5eva.
Akturous
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-03-28 03:22:14 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:

Stabber:
Change falloff bonus from the 7.5% per level to the standard 10% per level
+25m3 Dronebay and 25mbit bandwidth


YES!!!!

Unfortunately after the TE nerf it along with all falloff kiting ships will be completely in the toilet, since you haven't got the grid to fit arty. Back in the bin I'm afraid.

Vote Item Heck One for CSM8
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-03-28 04:09:33 UTC
Litt Up wrote:
This should get Sort Dragon to login, lmao


And does that stabber chage effect the sfi?


No. Changes to a specified ship hull, never effect another ship hull, unless that ship hull is directly linked and the same changes are listed on it.
Joe D'Trader
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2013-03-28 04:54:48 UTC
CCP Hates Gallente, and that's why the Amarr are getting all these drones
DR BiCarbonate
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2013-03-28 05:16:49 UTC
Yo gais! We're "fixing" Tracking Enhancers!

We know it will destroy a few ships but we dont care!

We already know the stabber is ****, so now with the TE "fix" we have to "fix" one of the bonuses to make it a little less ****!

Keep up the great work fozzie, high five!
Alara IonStorm
#57 - 2013-03-28 08:50:19 UTC
Akturous wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:

Stabber:
Change falloff bonus from the 7.5% per level to the standard 10% per level
+25m3 Dronebay and 25mbit bandwidth

YES!!!!
Unfortunately after the TE nerf it along with all falloff kiting ships will be completely in the toilet, since you haven't got the grid to fit arty. Back in the bin I'm afraid.

They upped the falloff bonus to compensate for the Stabber.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-03-28 08:59:06 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:

We are also giving some moderate improvements to the two lowest performing attack cruisers, the Stabber and Omen.



Omen:
-600,000 Mass

Stabber:
Change falloff bonus from the 7.5% per level to the standard 10% per level
+25m3 Dronebay and 25mbit bandwidth




Was the omen change a typo, or blaring oversight?

Stabber changes: +25% to falloff bonus (at cruiser 5), + a dronebay, with 5 light drones

Omen changes: -5% to ship mass. Period. Not 5% per level or anything, just 5% mass reduction.
To mare
Advanced Technology
#59 - 2013-03-28 09:51:48 UTC  |  Edited by: To mare
finally the stabber might get some use the falloff change counteract the nerf to TE so nothing really change here but the 25m of drone bay are a godblessin.

the omen get a reduction mass? good my favourite kite ship get faster and even more agile.

oh btw i think maller and especially the rupture now look even more useless.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2013-03-28 09:52:04 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:

We are also giving some moderate improvements to the two lowest performing attack cruisers, the Stabber and Omen.



Omen:
-600,000 Mass

Stabber:
Change falloff bonus from the 7.5% per level to the standard 10% per level
+25m3 Dronebay and 25mbit bandwidth




Was the omen change a typo, or blaring oversight?

Stabber changes: +25% to falloff bonus (at cruiser 5), + a dronebay, with 5 light drones

Omen changes: -5% to ship mass. Period. Not 5% per level or anything, just 5% mass reduction.



that is not a BONUS. its a plain direct reduction of the base mass. Its simply fact that omen was nto as bad as the stabber therefore it does nto need So much help.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"