Live Events Discussion

I'm with Falcon. I thought you were trying to play the bad guy

1) A lot of the "platinum club fleets" are not actually made up of a huge number of roleplayers. There are some in various organizations that work to organize fleets as a response to messages received from Dev-Controlled NPCs. The majority of those fleets are not made up of people who have thought about their characters motivations much beyond "I-RED supports Ishukone, I am cool with that," "Electus Matari supports the Republic, I do too."

2) The organizations that organize these fleets do other stuff and have a motivations outside of the event that drives OpSec standards, fleet configurations, etc. Certain FCs are very demanding of who is allowed in their fleets and what ships the fleet will have and do not run "kitchen-sink" fleets (which is the type of fleet an ad-hoc event fleet will become).

3) If you want to get involved in RP more (especially beyond live events), I suggest finding a long time player or corporation from a faction you want to support and send them a short OOC message asking for some insight. In addition, someone coming in with a long essay of a brand new character's background that fits with Eve smells of spy and back to number 2, these organizations do other stuff that are just as vulnerable IC and OOC.

4) The IC/OOC divide can be very thin sometimes. If you are disruptive in an IC channel and get muted or kicked, it can be for IC/OOC reasons.

I must admit, it took some serious self-restraint to not be mean to you OOC in Live Events or such. I do appreciate what you are doing tho, but.. ARGHH :p
Anyhaps, that bounty comes from the character, not the player! Yes. Definately. I think.

but i LIKE throwing kitchen sinks at people

Res / JIATPuOT

You seem to think that every single RP-oriented character and player in this game thinks they are 'spehul snowfrakez'

This simply is not the case. and is a form of personal insult I would rather you did not use. considering that this is an OOC forum.

Simply put, the purpose of that 'Declare your loyalty' thread is to allow the live events team a degree of knowledge regarding whom to contact when there is an event.
If you are also known to the community at large, and the devteam in particular for playing a certain role, (for example Diana Kim's ultra-nationalistic provist RP, Ghost Hunter's Sansha loyalties or Seriphyn inhonores' former Gallente military background), then you are far more likely to be contacted regarding smaller events such as the one that occurred today.

Does that make anyone who has declared their loyalties 'special?' no. not unless every RPer in this MMORPG is 'special'.

Personally i think the strange thing is that so many do not RP in the game. considering that it is a RPG.

All this "platinum club" stuff is ignoring one simple fact:

Those of us who were contacted via the "declare your loyalty" thread were very keen indeed to get the job done. We wanted a good operation where the freighters got to their destination with the minimum risk and ideally not ever even being fired upon, let alone destroyed.

This being EVE, we are well aware both IC and OOC that other players may have different plans. Speaking for myself I also expect CCP to contact other factions to say "hey, this thing's going down that you might wish to disrupt". There's a shortage of Guristas roleplayers but let's face it, it'd be right up their alley to hit a convoy like that and steal some Watch-issue Scorpions.

So, we took the op seriously. That means operational security. that means not jabbering about it in non-secure channels. That means agreeing ahead of time who the FCs were and what shape the chain of command was in. When the doo-doo hit the spinny bit, I snapped into "serious internet spaceships business" mode and started taking and obeying orders.

We don't complain about nullsec alliances keeping their logistical movements a secret. We don't accuse secure command and intel channels of being "platinum clubs". EVE is at least 60% metagame and a big part of playing that metagame is OpSec and secrecy.

If you want to be included, sign up in the thread. If you fail to do that, don't whine about being excluded when people treat live events the same way they treat any other fleet and seek to control the potential for disaster.

Oh yeah, and don't get bent out of shape if you receive a friendly "frak you" when you blow up a guy's ship, and don't get bent out of shape when somebody blows up a guy's ship for IC reasons. That's all part of the game too.

I would actually agree with this, simply because look at what happened during the Caldari Prime event... that to me was an event that frankly should have ONLY involved loyalists from both sides (e.g. those who declared loyalty & respective militias)

The fact that it extended out to 3rd parties frankly breaks the whole RP aspect to me, as it is like Russia and America going to war then out of the blue the Alquida and Colombian drug lords decide "I'm having a piece of that" and show up - it was frankly just absolutely senseless to me. I understand to a degree that it had to be done "within the limitations of the game", but would've made more sense to disable the Navy in Luminaire during the event, temporarily bestowed "militia" to the respective loyalists locked down all the gates to the system then used Bridging Titans to move Fleets In / Out.

Sure live events are something that the community should feel part of, and honestly the route this is taking either it will neatly be tied up with "everyone hugged after Tibus Heth dropped dead" or there will be Caldari Civil War (which tbh this is new eden, I'm kinda hoping for the later ... try screwing over the Jita market when it's a warzone Goons :p)

Point is that big events like the Incursion in Yulai Supernova, that is more than fair game ... but a storyline like this is far more personal to the Caldari-Gallente, so really should be focused more on those RP players.

You guys in Null-Sec can make up your own live events on pretty much a day to day basis if you wanted to, your entire lives should go forbid you got rid of this stupid cold-war between HBC and CFC because neither side wants to risk their ISK cashcows right now - could frankly be far more engaging as the results you TRUELY do have control over.

Some of the most famous moments in EVE history are 100% player derived.

Those in Faction Warfare, or Incursions, etc... aspects of the game heavily controlled and decided by NPCs rely so much on what we personally role play hoping they get integrated by CCP via the news in to Canon; or by events such-as these that are important to us for driving the story forward, that more often than not often end up being 1,000-odd Null-Sec players who come down, completely lag out the server node and destroy all semblance of fun because to them it isn't a real fight until you can't properly play simply so they can get on some shiney NPC killmails, which frankly you'd be able to get on far more REAL shiney killmails if you actually undocked and fought each other once in a while.

I've said it before in other posts... it isn't our fault YOU are bored with Null-Sec... that area of space is 100% PLAYER RUN, meaning if it's screwed up and a mess the only person to blame is YOURSELF.

In my opinion one thing I am disappointed about has been how early the live events have been happening, Caldari Prime for example kicked off and ended before I even got home from work. Where-as most events often were like early evening / midnight EVE Time which is usually good for most players.

Guess it is a shift so they can do them within working hours, which is a shame.

Also I'm still a little unclear on how much impact the players really have on the outcomes, these seem quite more substantially scripted set-pieces right now; most noticeably really is that EVE doesn't have the systems in-place to really do what the "script" calls for it to do, DUST certainly isn't even close to ready.

It might be an idea, for the moment at least to slow it down and trickle out what you do; looking at what events could play out in the future (set objective markers with branching paths... I know you can do this, the promising epic arcs achieved it to a degree) that you can then write the specifics around.

As an example this past event it actually made no sense why it didn't start in Lonetrek (where the Ishukone HQ is) travelling through Low-Sec to Luminaire. I agree with the whole "need to know" nature, should say Tibus Heth Loyalists or Gallente Extremists chose to do something about it... but there would've been quite a natural danger due to the route and need to wait for Cynos to cool-down before jumping again.

Not only would it have made the event something more "exciting" I guess, but actually could've helped showcase some very REAL issues with Logistics in the game; that RPing or not I think is IMPORTANT that CCP Employees experience for themselves.