EVE General Discussion

This, combined with consequences for gaining or losing a system, would make for fantastic gameplay. Imagine hearing on the militia chat "we're about to lose vard. everyone x up!"

But, how to make people care about occupancy? I've seen it proposed before that when a system flips, so do the mission agents in that system. So if the Amarr manage to take Dal, the Tribal Liberation Force Station become Occupied Reclamation Facility and instead of it's previous 4 TLF agents, has 4 agents from the 24th. So Amarr get mission agents closer to the frontline, and Minmatar lose a source of income. That is something that would inspire people to fight. Real, game world impact as a station flips, and real player impact as losers lose isk making opportunities and winners win it.

People would care, occupancy would matter, and people would fight over it.

Removing missions is a pretty ******** idea i'll admit. The value of FW rewards is constantly dropping, and i'm sure everyone that wants FW missions removed just want to fight people who can only afford frigate sized ships. If too many people farm the missions, they become less and less profitable (meaning less people will farm them, it's a feedback system that will be self correcting). The whole point of FW missions was for people to spend less time bearing (with more risk, of course) and more time pewing, so now you want to make FW a "pvp" activity by removing the most profitable "pve" activity? This change would have the opposite of the "desired" effect. People would spend more time doing "pve" to get the same amount of isk than spending time participating in "pvp".


Also, plex fighting is probably one of the more unique mechanics in the game. It gives opportunities to more than just who has the biggest BS blob and who can batphone friends in. The rats are dispatched fairly easy (minus some of the BS/Elite cruisers in majors) but for the most part plexes can be soloed, and NPCs dispatched fast enough (major plexes aside) that you can still pvp when a target comes along. The issue with plexing to say, the average joe, is that there is no feeling of progression/accomplishment. An incursion-like progression bar would be nice (because most people are unable to look at the map >.>)

Systems are captured too slowly (it takes months of effort, which under the current mechanics the other militia can take it back easily with a few "unscheduled" downtimes in a day if the sovreignty (not to be confused with occupancy) is their own. This is due to a high amount of plexes being spawned after every downtime in one system if the occupancy and sovriengty are not the same. This needs to be addressed, PERVS are no longer in FW, so revert this mechanic CCP. Taking a system back should be proportional to the effort that those who took it from you put forth.

The other issue with plexing is more issues with the spawning mechanics. Plexes do not spawn regularly so after the initial "DT rush" of plexes the available amount of plexes to fight over (say, in a constellation that is being targeted) is reduced significantly, so as there is nothing to do for about 20 hours out of the day is to mindlessly roam and kill eachother on gates. Plexes should be spawning at regular intervals so there is actually something to fight over throughout the day (and a sense of progression)

Maybe we should remove pvp rights from fw people generally, only places where you allowed to fight is FW mission and FW plexes. Problem solved and everyone are happy.

Yes, you do not get it. CCP can not make pvp to give direct profits from it, it would break fundamentals of whole game.

Well I don't play rigt after downtime so it may be somewhat different in that 1 hour of time.

But other than that I do go in plexes allot. That way I don't get blobbed by supercaps. I just don't actually run them because of the npcs. And yes its only the npcs that prevents this. Most times i think my ship is safer there than if I docked.

lp you will get in kills is only symbolic amount, i would not call it profitable business.

Something like that, so if we think we could end whole FW, it has been dead for a long time.

Every militia currently has multiple highsec (and thus unconquerable) FW agents. The thing they would be fighting for is the convenience of agents near their mission destinations. Enough convenience to fight for, but losing everything still does not remove gameplay.

And besides - the fewer people run missions for that faction's militia, the more those militia LP are worth. Not enough to balance out the inconvenience of having to get all one's missions from highsec, but certainly enough to offset wanting to leave militia entirely.

I agree. Capturing a system takes a long time and a considerable amount of effort by many players to achieve. Probably a bit too much effort for the casual play that is marketed for FW. Only a few of us have the stamina to do the FW plex grind day in and day out (most of us can do it in spirts). However, there are plenty of us willing and able to go hunt down opposing plexers (when it matters) and run them out of plexes so the guys who do run plexes can complete them.

It shouldn't be hard to capture a system, but it shouldn't be easy either. It should be variable.

What I mean by this is that if a militia loses all of their systems then it should be ludicrously easy for them to get one back. As they get more and more systems reclaimed though, it becomes harder for them - until the final enemy system is almost impossible to capture.