Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Like I said, its gonna make nano blaster cruisers depressingly bad (they're already really far into their falloff at ~24km as it is) and autocannon ships will just lose a little more of their already-mediocre damage at range.

Any range decreases will hit blaster cruisers way more severely than other ships because of the shape of their DPS/range curves. Which is funny, because non-brawling blaster cruisers are already rare as **** and not overpowered at all.

Also someone asked why people don't just fit railguns instead of blasters-- it's because railguns are (this is a technical term) ****.

Also, sigras-- the biggest reason people fit shield canes instead of armor canes has nothing to do with the benefits of getting your tracking/range mods from lowslots or high slots, it's that armor fits in general are bad for skirmishing because they're inflexible fits that require you to fully commit to basically any fight due to your lack of mobility. Shields (while providing a smaller overall tank and eating up the mids you'd ideally want to use for tracking computers, scrams, webs, sebos etc) aren't all-in setups, while armor ones are. That's why you see most people flying fits that are "inferior" in terms of on-paper tank, ewar and dps stats.

You know that during 2/3 of eve history minmatar was known as "Play eve in the Hard mode"?


As I pointed several times, its not that minmatar became too powerful. Its that the metagame evolved into a scenario that minmatar advantages (that previously were irrelevant) became VERY VERY important.



I repeat, stop trying to find culprints in the race or modules only and look a bit more on the meta changes that made a tactic become so powerful! When minmatar got the falloff changes amarr were considered overpowered beyond belief!! They changed nothing on amarr, but do anyone say they are overpowered nowadays? NO. Because the change was in the METAGAME!!! STOP LOOKING AT THE SHIPS AND MODULES ONLY!

That was always bullshit.

As I tried to explain earlier, when blasters are used in the role of brawling not kiting (That was supposed to be their role) they loose almost nothing, only 1 extra second of travel to the target on the cruiser scale up to 4-5 seconds on a battleship. Not the end of the world, its a nerf , but not a CRIPPLING NERF

The major issue at hand here is that I think all the Turret weapons need a review of their ranges and tracking.

For example, when the Heavy Missile Launcher nerf came for range, it was a good thing in my opinion, but at the same time the whole purpose was predicated on the idea that they were matching the long range turrets ranges (around 30kms ish).

I am sure it's not an easy task at all, and honestly probably don't expect the balancing team to go ahead and do it, but that's the fundamental issue at hand I see at the heart of the Tracking Enhancer nerf. It's not actually the module that's the issue, it's that all the weapons systems are the SAME stats from almost 10 years ago, and meanwhile so much of the rest of the game has changed, so many "meta" combat styles have come and gone.

The balance between long range weapons fitting requirements vs short range weapons requirements, along with all the other factors of the actual ranges that combat happens at, etc, really leaves the situation at a crux that you need tackle the heart of the issue, the weapons themselves.

Wow....

Well, I do like caldari ships but I didn't really want to be a 100% missile pilot. Guess I will be now. ROLL ON CARACALS! Oh.... didn't you know, the caldari small ship line up was already borderline OP in at least the current FW meta. Now it turns out they are a requirement if you want to kite.

I'm personally just really confused about the purpose of this nerf in general-- if the problem is not that shield / kiting ships are "too good" but that they're "too good relative to armor tanked ships," why not buff tracking computers so that ships without tracking enhancers can project damage better?

Alternatively, they could just nerf autocannons directly if that's what they're so concerned about. v0v

Scorch is really good at applying DPS at range, only most, and i do say most (Slicer being the notable exception) of the Amarrian ships are crap at keeping range when compared to other kiters like most minnie ships, so its fairly easy to disengage or even worse go right up close and brawl with the scorch ship.


I mean you guys should try to get on the same page, theres another guy in this thread crying about the loss of range on his scorch and how its the death knell of a kiting zealot.

I personally think you're all over reacting like you're fresh off an episode of jersey shore.

You realize back then was no way to increase range of minmatar weapons (no bonus to falloff), AC did less damage than ALL other weapon systems, that was impossible for arti boats reach the 160 km that was standard optimal range for fleets? The reduced EHP made harder than any other race to tank doomsdays? In the past things were very different...

Do you realize that I am supportign the changes in all my posts? I am just attackign flawed arguments alongside it. taking a position in the balance issue should not make me blind to fallacies. I am impartial. what I think of the TE nerf does not change my perceived appreciation of the in game truths.