Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No its YOU who's not getting why the absolute numbers matter, the numbers on the frigates will be so small as to not really matter.





You're moving 5km closer on a ship designed to operate out to 50km


Cry me a river.

33% sounds like a big number all by itself.

But we're talking 33% of a 15%/30% bonus mod.

You're not losing 33% of your range, you're losing 5%/10% optimal/falloff. (With one TE)

It's not a big change.

EDIT: Fixing my math.

Really you're losing 1 - (1.1/1.15) = 4.3% optimal, and 1 - (1.2/1.3) = 7.7% falloff.

Personally i think ccp fozzie has taken far to many boosters and his mind has become slightly deranged.so possible fix nerf ccp they are far to overpowered in my opinion.lol

Projectile ships don't tend to have the most paper DPS in their class but they get useful damage selection like several missile ships. However, they are generally under-tanked compared to dedicated armour and shield ships due to slot layouts, which sub-capital projectile ships try to offset by leveraging a less worse damage drop-off through having relatively long falloff.

Nerffing TEs isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as it's done with consideration of the impact it will have on projectile weapon ships, which will be affected more so that hybrid and energy weapon ships (I describe why I think that is the case in my first reply to this thread). My concern here is that TEs seem to primarily be being balanced in relation to TCs, which are generally used with different ships and/or fitting doctrines.

CCP Fozzie referred to TEs giving a decent tracking boost alongside the same range bonus as a range-scripted TC. Whilst no one would really want to say “no thanks” to a tracking bonus, I think it’s really the range bonuses of a TE that are the reason for using one. How about renaming them Range Enhancers and just dropping the tracking bonus instead?

Pretty unnecessary nerf tbh.


OH WELLLP.

Will this mean that armor blaster tengus will become more viable?

Thank you CCP PL for your wonderful gift to your people.

Please unnerf titans next, tia.

We do not want to imply that your changes are goign to diminish the value of mobility. Not at all. I kind of agree with some nerf of TE.

I think what we woudl all love you guys at CCP tackle is the annalysis of current metagame . Why certain fits are more prevalent or not. And the main reason somethign is used or not in a game is seldom related to being more powerful. I am a Magic The Gathering player for tons of years, and something that I learned very well there is that usage of something is direct product of the current metagame and not the relative capabilities of that card or strategy. Several times imrpessive cards are not used at all, because the current metagame presents no opportunities for those.


That is what I, and I am sure several others would love you guys to analyse and bring up on your discussions of game balance. The balance is much less about if module X or Y is strong, and much more about. Why in hell everyone NEEDS to use tactics Z or T in current metagame. As I brought up earlier, large armor buffered battleships were dominant in AoE doomsday days. Was it because they were superior to kiting ships being repaired by logistics? No! Was because the doomsday presence made that type of tactic necessary.


Summary: There is always too much talk about ships and modules and too few talk about the metagame and reasons why certain tactics are used or even overused.


Why people fit shield tankers with range and damage mods? My personal analysis points to the excessive specialization of ships where the mid slots are almost always very valuable only on a few specialized ships, relegating all the non specialized ships to focus on the firepower role. And the best way to increase firepower is shield tank. Obviously when you still have slots left in low slots, the best thing you can do is stick a few TE there.

Even simpler example. In ages past, Tempests would be armor tanked and the 5th mid would be used for an multi spec ECM . When ECM was made useless outside specialized ships, there was no advantage of having a free 5th mid. It clearly became much more inteligent to shield and gank the tempest and bring a dedicated tackler alongside.

There is almost no solo or duet combat anymore. When you have 20 people in a gang, you do not need every ship to bring MWD, Disruptor, Web, Injector/Ewar. You are almost always more effective bringing DEDICATED MID SLOT EWAR?TACKLING ships and leaving the rest of the ships focused on massive firepower!


I hope I was able to transmit my toughts and that they can be helpful.

It does a lot of good. communication cannot be done in one way only And without communication there is no understanding, and without understanding.. there is always frustration at the end of the path..

I think this change is correct. I just think we have seen not enough indications of analysis of why we got into a scenario where almost every ship uses TE :)

please detail how you feel this forces you into short ranged ships.

Be specific, use numbers.