Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I get the feeling someones been blatted too many times by navy apocs, sniper rail rokhs and kiting tier3s and completely forgot the effect this has on small and medium sized weapons on many setups - for instance dual T2 TEs on blaster boats with the 10% per level falloff bonus like the diemos have a role (mostly anti-tackle) and/or for fighting outnumbered that this change will affect quite heavily.

Great falloff is the only Minmatar's weapon advantage if you ignore capacitor-free turrets, selectable damage type and by far easiest fitting requirements.

you have no idea what your talking about. If you are seriously trying to justify using rail / beam ships for kiting.... Then you don't understand kiting. A kiting ship would not be readily killed by either of those two weapon systems. You need to do some math... Then go play more eve PvP

Is there a reason you went with 1/3 instead of 1/4 or 1/5

After the garbage cyclone rework, I dont think i will ever fly shield minmatar ships any more after this patch.

Sorry fozzie, your teams rebalancing was great until the BC nerf, now all i see is prophecy's with 100k ehp without even trying.

I cant remember the last time i saw a stabber. rifter has been phased out. hurricane double nerf. cyclone rebalance as mentioned before is ******* garbage. jaguar fell off like a rock after crucible. i can see sleipnir nerf to the ground incoming aswell. not sure how i feel about typhoon as primary missile boat, could be good, have yet to see.

now te nerf, lol. way to destroy playstyles there fozzie, great job, keep up the good work!

Not true... now. The Deimos, Vigilant, and Proteus can do shield-tanked kiting blaster setups. They do a little less dps than ACs at longer ranges (~30+) but are otherwise alright.

With this TE nerf though they'll be utter garbage again, just like they were before the null buffs.

Just an example fit theres many variations on this fit possible depending on skill level and what you want from it (i.e. change the cap regen sub-system to supplemental for overload bonus). Load it up with snakes, gunnery implants, skirmish links, etc. and you have a very expensive cynabal that (until now) had the suprise factor (clocks up almost 6km/s + turns on a dime) and the choice of 30km scram or 80km point. If you have the skills to fly it lighter tanked you can get some pretty nasty levels of damage projection to.

right,,,, your dps is abysmal.

20K 343 DPS
30K 175 DPS

Considering the amount of money you are pouring into this thing- the only useful part is the scram. Everything else (for the price) is very sub par. Explain to me how DPS like that is going to be effective? Especially for the cost? Why would you ever want to fly this on a regular basis?

My initial reaction to this was Incredulous, so awe struck I stare at the Forums and try as hard as I can to think of how this affects my game play and those I fly with. Losing what? where? and how bad? is the first thing I am trying to figure out.
Using EVE-HQ I substitute the meta -0 (20%falloff/10% optimal) not a perfect match but close enough for an estimate. The ship for the base is my Mach, not the best for figuring this out as it has native bonuses, but it is the ship I use predominantly so it affects me there the most.

Results:
Mach:
Old: 59,002m falloff and 3899m optimal
New: 50,709m falloff and 3586 optimal
that makes a 14% loss of falloff at 30% nerf. I am assuming the target was 15% with a 33% nerf.

It seems strange to me that in the middle of the ship balancing (teiracide) CCP nerfs the Tracking Enhancer, so tinfoil hat tells me it’s a stealth nerf, probably of a ship that would cause too much uproar to hit in the open, so instead nerf the module that makes the ship OP. Mission accomplished.

Seems like a drastic hit to everyone for the sake of sparing the drama of a heavy ship nerf, but my tinfoil hat isn’t to tight so I will continue.

Tracking computers are not being nerfed (yet) so the difference can be made up with a change to the mid slot, but that also means the loss of a point/web/propulsion or some shield tank. Seems to be a targeted destruction of Minmatar benefits, as stated in Fozzie’s post.

But is Minmatar really that OP? EVE kill would disagree at first glance with the Oracle being the heaviest hitter this month followed by the Naga then 3 Minmatar boats but all told Minmatar is still leading the pack with 216,117 kills and all the other races combined only amounting to 224,728 so a 3% difference between what Minmatar kills vs. all other races combined (sorry Caldari, you didn’t build a top ten killer this month).

So I take off my tin foil hat and settle in with popcorn for a show, I guess the Minmatar race is being fixed so the other guys can get a shot at the trophy.

Enjoyed you while it lasted Minmatar but it looks like the End is Nigh. I only hope the reverse is in store for Capital.

This will indirectly boost TD's. As if they weren't already overkill. TEs are the 'bread and butter' of a nano gang. Which is one of the few remaining ways of running low-man PVP/solo fleets. If you were searching to pervert small gang warfare, congrats CCP, this update's a winner.