Player Features and Ideas Discussion

P.S. I'm quite sure the game devs are aware that kiting will still be much stronger for outnumbered encounters, in that you'd still get most success from causing your opponents to mis-position out of support range, or you can just leave as you aren't committed to (unlinked) hard tackle range, and this is independant of TE changes.

I really wouldn't mind a direct Machariel and Cynabal bonus nerf/tweak though, along with the obvious needed tier3 BCs mobility/tracking nerf. These are the real ships that push TEs from understandable to broken.

Edit: Yep, this TE change certainly shouldn't be hitting the Vindi as much as the Mach. We don't want there to only be 1 way to tank/fit each ship, right? Why don't blasters have much more tracking, in the same vein that arties have so much more alpha for a given dps rate? I mean it's really not certain that a blaster sub-cap will 100% hit similar sized craft or those with the same class weaponary while in optimal & also scrambling & single 60% webbing them.
I appreciate there's an issue with combining 90% webs, painters & oversized guns atm possibly due to the tracking formula itself.

Also fozzie, on the PL AT teams, how many ships used even a single TE?

It is the same, small changes that radically affect gameplay, except in the case of heavy missiles the changes were not so small.

In fact, this may be a buff to railguns, because they have the best base range and lack a lot more tracking than range. Railguns are a lot less sensible to TE nerf than other weapons.

If your fighting at 0, say in scram & Webb range to be doing affective damage, theres no way to disengage say if your off gate. Unless your ****** fit with stabs or possibly AB fit and able to burn out. The more powerful ship or better counter fit ship will always win. You will not have the ability granted to kiting ships to disengagde by either burning away, or causing the hostile to lose point by pulsing MWD on cross axis so they burn out of range & lose point, allowing you to warp out. There's little skill in fighting at 0 (scram/Webb) range, nerfing TEs kiting ability, wich is an art and skill its self would be yet another mistake by CCP, and a great loss as far as skill goes for the game.
There is counters to kiting ships, & as far as minnie ships go, they have already been nerfed enough, dont ruin it by overstepping a reasonable current mark & success. This proposed change to TEs needs to be scrapped. All it would do is subject eve to yet a other nerf of making the game ever easier, this does not inspire anybody to become better within tactics and situational awareness, it only acts to dumb it down, even giving more reason to blob, and there should be no further reason given to blobbing WHAT SO EVER. Should be promoting skill and fun gfs instead.
Sometimes it becomes very apparent CCP are out of touch with the game and its tactics, this is as good as any example.
A resounding NO to TE nerf from me.

Is nerfing TEs going to close the gap between shield and armor? No.

Armor will become more popular when the first worry of any PVPer is no longer
"How many guys are waiting on the other side of the gate"
and they no longer have to worry about running on a moment's notice. The reason shield tanks are so popular on ALL the ships (Im looking at you shield Oracle, Talos) is because shield tanks have the ability to GTFO should an engagement turn against a pilot which armor tanks are greatly lacking.

I think this is going to hurt Gallente blaster boats more than it is Minmatar and it's not so long since they were finally made useable, please consider increasing the range of blasters if you're going to go ahead with this CCP.

Not a big fan of the TE change.

i just ran some plots on a pve mach and wanted to share the results. (the TCs are scripted for range.) it seems like the typical shield mission mach will lose about 100dps @40k and around 150dps @60-80k. it's somewhat annoying but I can live with it.
on a side note, notice how currently, three tracking enhancers are exactly as effective as four tracking computers, three scripted for range, one for tracking.

I understand your intention to nerf TE

but I have the feeling that kiting and roaming shield setups
which almost fight outmunered already vs the local blop and rely on range and tracking
will suffer most of this nerf