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I thought trit was highly reactive with oxygen?

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Calypso Warsmith
Strata Dynamics
Power Absolute Inc.
#1 - 2013-03-24 18:12:09 UTC
i remember that it used to be on its lore page it reacted with oxygen in bad ways, so shouldnt the titan wreckage not be melting/flash rusting and such?


hell i remember that bit of lore being on trits description and one of the main points why ships could not go inside the atmosphere of planets.




so has this been changed or was it just over looked for the sake of LOOK DUST TITAN MAP!
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2013-03-24 18:20:03 UTC
This has generally been handwaved as saying that while pure Tritanium does react quite violently with exposure to air - explosively so, even - Tritanium in an alloyed composition is rather more stable and is the substance commonly used in starship construction (a RL analogy might be how elemental Flourine is so reactive it is tremendously difficult to even create; as a Fluorine salt or Hydrofluoric acid compound, however, it is commonly used in many industrial applications).
Calathorn Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-03-24 18:53:27 UTC
ACK! he mentioned RL!! Roll

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Calypso Warsmith
Strata Dynamics
Power Absolute Inc.
#4 - 2013-03-24 18:59:34 UTC
So I can use this handwaviuem u mentioned to make the lore say what ever I want?
Calathorn Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-03-24 19:06:44 UTC
Calypso Warsmith wrote:
So I can use this handwaviuem u mentioned to make the lore say what ever I want?



ccp does it all the timeRoll

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Calypso Warsmith
Strata Dynamics
Power Absolute Inc.
#6 - 2013-03-24 20:00:55 UTC
/handwaviumen, I'm now the king of the galaxy.

Make it so CCP.
Tiber Brucato
Really Great Space Corporation
United Neopian Federation
#7 - 2013-03-24 20:12:15 UTC
A wizard did it.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-03-25 05:37:07 UTC
No handwaviemagiciumyum allowed. Falcon yelled at me today when something I was doing got brought up in live events Cry

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#9 - 2013-03-25 06:22:05 UTC
Pure sodium reacts violently on contact with water.
Sodium chloride mixes rather nicely with water.

Pure Tritanium reacts violently with oxygen.
Tritanium alloys are perfectly stable.

Katrina Oniseki
Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
#10 - 2013-03-25 12:06:58 UTC
While i know many have problems with TonyG's writing, The Armour forge where Heth began his rise to power made Armour plating for capsuleer vessels.
These plates were apparently Trit alloys. Formed into armour plates, on a planet.

So yeah. handwavium aside, there is Lore to back up the alloy claims.

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Sassaniak
Deadspace Zombie Factory
#11 - 2013-03-29 18:06:11 UTC
so... why cant we fly ships to the surface?

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Keitunen Eto
Outer Reach Executive Group
Outer Reach Corporate Authority
#12 - 2013-03-29 19:59:36 UTC
Sassaniak wrote:
so... why cant we fly ships to the surface?



Technically we can and could. In 2006 they had a prototype fully mapped out with land mass and everything. I wonder if DUST will bring that back off the shelf.

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Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
#13 - 2013-04-02 20:18:37 UTC
Sassaniak wrote:
so... why cant we fly ships to the surface?



Well... i think it's probably due to memory constraints.

They would have to model every planet, with every possible type, create an environmental engine (plasma planets are likely to hurt ships) and then they would have to populate every planet with all of the PI and NPC cities, workplaces farms and landmarks...

that's likely just the edge of the iceberg too.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#14 - 2013-04-03 15:49:27 UTC
It is reacting. As its alloyed the reaction is slow, but there is so much of it the reaction will continue for years. So there will be a burning Titan in the Dust maps for years, and there will be orange pools of burning debris on the planet as seen from space for years.

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Ronan Huren
Revenant Tactical
#15 - 2013-05-05 07:48:45 UTC
I love how someone gives you a perfectly valid explanation with examples from RL and you call it handwavium....
Brutus King
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-05-07 19:13:05 UTC
Lore=snore. Go read some Star Wars novels or something.
Rhapsody d'Elysium
Circle of Friends
#17 - 2013-05-13 15:24:46 UTC
There's a lot of possibilities that could explain why ships can't fly within planetary atmospheres. My first thought is simply structural integrity - perhaps the hull of most ships simply can't withstand the gravity of most planets. If they get too close to any gravity well (moon, star, planet) the hull can buckle under its own weight.

Or it could purely be a political reason. One of the stipulations of Capsulier technology was that capsulier ships must be hard-wired to prevent any sort of atmospheric entry into habitable worlds. They put this restriction into place for ALL planets, to keep potential loopholes or bugs from being exploited.

That's just a couple ideas that popped into my mind as I read this thread.
Inna Cristiana
GucciGang
#18 - 2013-05-13 18:28:27 UTC
Rhapsody d'Elysium wrote:
There's a lot of possibilities that could explain why ships can't fly within planetary atmospheres. My first thought is simply structural integrity - perhaps the hull of most ships simply can't withstand the gravity of most planets. If they get too close to any gravity well (moon, star, planet) the hull can buckle under its own weight.

Or it could purely be a political reason. One of the stipulations of Capsulier technology was that capsulier ships must be hard-wired to prevent any sort of atmospheric entry into habitable worlds. They put this restriction into place for ALL planets, to keep potential loopholes or bugs from being exploited.

That's just a couple ideas that popped into my mind as I read this thread.


Orrrrr ... CCP just needs 10 more years to properly implement it.
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
#19 - 2013-05-14 22:03:23 UTC
Unit XS365BT wrote:
Sassaniak wrote:
so... why cant we fly ships to the surface?



Well... i think it's probably due to memory constraints.

They would have to model every planet, with every possible type, create an environmental engine (plasma planets are likely to hurt ships) and then they would have to populate every planet with all of the PI and NPC cities, workplaces farms and landmarks...

that's likely just the edge of the iceberg too.


I hear the guys over at ueber have a nicely generator for that ... even when it is still very buggy. ;-)

Joking aside, this can be done procedural, and should be done procedural, but right now it would be just as much wasted than as building more WIS-stuff would be. Though I could imagine that atmospheric flight would be a very nice setting for EVR. Maybe in 10 years or so ;-)

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Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-05-16 14:46:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolas Merovech
Sassaniak wrote:
so... why cant we fly ships to the surface?


Because the sheer mass of your vessel would rip it to shreds upon entering the lower atmosphere. The amount of energy (and cost) of moving a battleship-sized vessel from the surface of a planet into space would be astronomical, pun intended. Ships are built in outer space because of this cost, and as such they are not designed to handle the stresses of planetary gravity/re-entry, at least not out of the average shipyard.

MAYBE frigates and cruiser-class ship could survive. But it depends on the design of the ship.

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