Live Events Discussion

Did anyone see a doomsday from the titan?

Nope none at all, why because the time it took to take it down, the titan could have DDed them all. However, since CCP wanted to take the Titan down, they chose not to activate the DD. Seems pretty stupid to me and only further supports the theory of scripting.

Stoked at the whole event, both in principle and reality.

Disappointed at the lack of 'splosion when the Titan went.

Disappointed at my total inability to tractor ANY wrecks. Sod fighting, when there's money to be made

Want to actually get to blow stuff up next time

CCP themselves said it was technically impossible to actually just change Security Status of a system on the fly. I guess that was the reason the DD wasnt used. It was not like no Gallente capitals died. My only gripe with the event would be the player limit (i was there early enough, but got a disco). Perhapts it would have made more sense to let the fighting spread over a few systems, so everyone could have been in on the fun?

The FCORD fleet was the one I scanned down on Gallente Prime? You lot warped in soon after the Dreads popped up.

I beg to differ about the you can't get a 250man fleet when there's only 1k in local allowed to be coordinated

I was in Grideris Live Events fleet, we had roughly 240 members and although not perfectly coordinated people did a good job of following primaries on the caldari caps and the logi's guys were totally on the ball.

So atleast 1/4 of all pilots in system were "Gallente loyalists" if Grideris fleet had chosen to shoot the Gallente things might have gone differently.

Also even with all the DPS on the field. when the Titan was primaried at the start we couldn't break the RR. It was only after we took out 3/4 of the Wyverns and most of the chimaeras that we could then kill it.

So yes the Gallente had the home field advantage with dreads but they also had the player advantage.

As for all the people talking about Grid's fleet, the point I am talking about is you all would've had to have been logi and side with the Caldari to even think about changing the outcome of that fight. Sorry but I do not see that happening in actuality.

First let me say I am not a Eve Online roleplayer, but I am someone who enjoys the fact that the players can have a impact on the world, and universe.

I am a pen and paper (P&P) roleplayer, and GM and very well know some of the major things your supposed to do, and not do. I "don't have money in the game" regarding if Caldari or Gallente won, and really couldn't care if the Titan blew up. Some basic rules of being a GM generally are...

1. You don't put players in a position were they can only lose
2. You make the actions have a impact on there player, and the world
3. You don't predetermine events beforehand (this is why I hate running modules instead of running ad-hoc) even though it means you must change what will happen next and it will effect the story you had in your head.

Yes I have ran games were I gave the players 3 obvious choices and I know how it feels to have them pick option 4 (which was just something they decided to do) which means the whole idea for your game has to be re-written, but that's the life of a GM and it's also what makes being a GM fun in many ways because you have to think on your feet.

What I care about is the fact the CCP repeatedly seems to do live events were the players get to make basically zero influence into the outcome of the events. They seem to do this time and time again (for example the last two events I heard about, the NPC who was flying through space and meet with overwhelming numbers wishing to destroy the ship which had a modules that are not available to players, this apparently was done before as well https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=205176). Now if the live events are posted as something going on, but not able to be influenced by the players I am fine with that, but there needs to be a very clear distinction between the two.

I have quit P&P games because the GM seems to think that they must beat the players into the ground with overwhelming numbers. I could have a superhero who's only weapon is great strength and for games in a row meet someone who surpasses my strength by 2-5x which leads me to think there is no point to playing (most role players I have meet feel this way as well).

This event was supposed to be one were players could decide the event but from the leaked map, to the overwhelming numbers from one side I see nothing to indicate it was something the players could influence unless somehow everyone there accidently clicked and fired on the Gallente Dreads, which is a one in a million chance or less, or even less of a chance everyone who got in was fighting for Caldari's side.

All I ask is CCP please make it known if a event is scripted or not, and if it is that is ok. If the event isn't scripted then the players need to have a obvious influence on the outcome. This is nothing different then having a P&P game were player A hits a NPC with a weapon only to have it do no damage, and then another NPC kills them with the same weapon. The Player will obviously feel like there wasting time playing the game.

Also to show players they should trust in you, there needs to be some clear answer as to how/if the event was scripted such as...

"The death of the Titan was scripted but there were a number of outcomes that could have happened due to players actions such as.... x, y, z"

or... "The event wasn't scripted but due to the overwhelming number of players fighting for the Gallente side it was determined that Gallente would win, the process was just speed up due to time constraints/x/y/z"

I personally will participate in zero live events until something along these lines is done because I feel it's a waste of my game time to participate in something I can't change the outcome of. Not that anyone on here is likely to care if I do participate or not, but as they say one letter from a person (to his government rep) is a indication of a 1000 people feeling the same who didn't take the time to write. I am sure many people feel the same way I do and wish to join a live event or two but hold back because they wonder if it's worth there time.

edit: Change could to couldn't...