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Derdrom Utida
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-03-22 19:25:17 UTC
What happened wasn't sandbox, everything was scripted and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh

You can't tell a story in EVE and truly involve the players because they'll just destroy everything and then spam local, every time. We're lucky that we were able to see an important Titan according to the lore go down at all.

BUT CCP SAID THAT WE CAPSULEERS ARE IMPORTANT. HOW DARE THEY LIE TO US

Only way this could have been avoided is if they handwaved everything, and that's lamer than allowing people to be there as events unfold. You're entitled, and in reality, this doesn't affect the gameplay of any capsuleer at all. This is just lore, and is for people that RP. Not everything is to be catered to you.
Naiami Cinpeh
Tax Haven 72
#2 - 2013-03-22 19:26:39 UTC
It's just like I'm playing Mass Effect 3 again!

Your decisions really matter we promise... until they don't.
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#3 - 2013-03-22 19:28:44 UTC
Derdrom Utida wrote:
What happened wasn't sandbox, everything was scripted and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh

You can't tell a story in EVE and truly involve the players because they'll just destroy everything and then spam local, every time. We're lucky that we were able to see an important Titan according to the lore go down at all.

BUT CCP SAID THAT WE CAPSULEERS ARE IMPORTANT. HOW DARE THEY LIE TO US

Only way this could have been avoided is if they handwaved everything, and that's lamer than allowing people to be there as events unfold. You're entitled, and in reality, this doesn't affect the gameplay of any capsuleer at all. This is just lore, and is for people that RP. Not everything is to be catered to you.

People don't appreciate being lied to their face, breaking news! (CCP advertised the event as something capsuleers could influence)
Derdrom Utida
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-03-22 19:38:26 UTC
Inkarr Hashur wrote:

People don't appreciate being lied to their face, breaking news! (CCP advertised the event as something capsuleers could influence)


What people don't take into the equation (due to their previously mentioned entitlement issues) is that players in EVE are limited in their response when there are tons of people in a system. I mean, if the lore director in CCP wants to tell a neat story between X an Y and this titan being downed is the catalyst for this to occur, then he should be completely allowed. Why? Because you can't have everything in lore dictated by who has the bigger blob.
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#5 - 2013-03-22 19:39:58 UTC
Derdrom Utida wrote:
Inkarr Hashur wrote:

People don't appreciate being lied to their face, breaking news! (CCP advertised the event as something capsuleers could influence)


What people don't take into the equation (due to their previously mentioned entitlement issues) is that players in EVE are limited in their response when there are tons of people in a system. I mean, if the lore director in CCP wants to tell a neat story between X an Y and this titan being downed is the catalyst for this to occur, then he should be completely allowed. Why? Because you can't have everything in lore dictated by who has the bigger blob.


You're right but being right doesn't change the fact that CCP lied by advertising the event as being one that could be influenced. And they didn't need to lie. And people don't like being lied to.
William Loire
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-03-22 19:42:48 UTC
Derdrom Utida wrote:
Inkarr Hashur wrote:

People don't appreciate being lied to their face, breaking news! (CCP advertised the event as something capsuleers could influence)


What people don't take into the equation (due to their previously mentioned entitlement issues) is that players in EVE are limited in their response when there are tons of people in a system. I mean, if the lore director in CCP wants to tell a neat story between X an Y and this titan being downed is the catalyst for this to occur, then he should be completely allowed. Why? Because you can't have everything in lore dictated by who has the bigger blob.


The point of a sandbox and an MMO is to give the players the chance to influence the fate of the world. That's why we play EVE, not to be set on rails to see all the pretty sights without being able to touch them. If CCP wants to tell a story without capsuleer influence then make a trailer, they're good at that. Don't advertise the event as something capsuleers will decide and then drop 20 Moros' on top of the Caldari fleet point blank range.

Nobody cares that the Titan went down. We all want to see that pretty wreckage in DUST matches. We do care (especially us Caldari players) that an important event in Caldari history was determined by a bunch of Developers in capital ships purposefully putting one side's capital ships in a ****** tactical position.
Derdrom Utida
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-03-22 19:46:27 UTC
Inkarr Hashur wrote:
You're right but being right doesn't change the fact that CCP lied by advertising the event as being one that could be influenced. And they didn't need to lie. And people don't like being lied to.


You're also right that CCP should've made the event more friendlier to blobbing.

But this whole notion that Live Events can be steered by smallsons that fleet up and head out to ~ruin the RP'ers fun~ is stupid. CCP should get up, distance themselves from the "emergent gameplay" crowd and focus on telling the story their way, and allowing capsuleers to just watch.
Naiami Cinpeh
Tax Haven 72
#8 - 2013-03-22 19:47:33 UTC
Derdrom Utida wrote:
Inkarr Hashur wrote:
You're right but being right doesn't change the fact that CCP lied by advertising the event as being one that could be influenced. And they didn't need to lie. And people don't like being lied to.


You're also right that CCP should've made the event more friendlier to blobbing.

But this whole notion that Live Events can be steered by smallsons that fleet up and head out to ~ruin the RP'ers fun~ is stupid. CCP should get up, distance themselves from the "emergent gameplay" crowd and focus on telling the story their way, and allowing capsuleers to just watch.


I think most people would argue that if that's what they want to do then they should do it, but marketing it as something it never was from the beginning is a poor choice.
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#9 - 2013-03-22 19:49:38 UTC
Derdrom Utida wrote:
Inkarr Hashur wrote:
You're right but being right doesn't change the fact that CCP lied by advertising the event as being one that could be influenced. And they didn't need to lie. And people don't like being lied to.


You're also right that CCP should've made the event more friendlier to blobbing.

But this whole notion that Live Events can be steered by smallsons that fleet up and head out to ~ruin the RP'ers fun~ is stupid. CCP should get up, distance themselves from the "emergent gameplay" crowd and focus on telling the story their way, and allowing capsuleers to just watch.

You know, it not a single one of your posts do you acknowledge the lie that occurred. It just hit me.
Derdrom Utida
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-03-22 19:52:51 UTC
William Loire wrote:
The point of a sandbox and an MMO is to give the players the chance to influence the fate of the world.


Yep. It's called null sec.

William Loire wrote:
If CCP wants to tell a story without capsuleer influence then make a trailer, they're good at that.


Yeah, if we can't directly affect every single action that lore characters do by killing them (because that's all you can do), then you should just. Make. A trailer. Mmhmm.

William Loire wrote:
Don't advertise the event as something capsuleers will decide and then drop 20 Moros' on top of the Caldari fleet point blank range.


I'll give you this. CCP shouldn't advertise something that isn't, but this topic goes beyond just the Battle of Caldari Prime.

William Loire wrote:
Nobody cares that the Titan went down. We all want to see that pretty wreckage in DUST matches. We do care (especially us Caldari players) that an important event in Caldari history was determined by a bunch of Developers in capital ships purposefully putting one side's capital ships in a ****** tactical position.


I'll give you that, too. But that goes specifically on this event, not the general mentality of the RP crashers that seek to blob every Live Event ever.
Rekkr Thorgard
Steelforge Heavy Industries
#11 - 2013-03-22 19:53:05 UTC
Derdrom Utida wrote:
Inkarr Hashur wrote:

People don't appreciate being lied to their face, breaking news! (CCP advertised the event as something capsuleers could influence)


What people don't take into the equation (due to their previously mentioned entitlement issues) is that players in EVE are limited in their response when there are tons of people in a system. I mean, if the lore director in CCP wants to tell a neat story between X an Y and this titan being downed is the catalyst for this to occur, then he should be completely allowed. Why? Because you can't have everything in lore dictated by who has the bigger blob.



That's called a cutscene. Cutscenes =/= Live Events. If CCP wants to advance the storyline and give us opportunities to do cool stuff via story arcs propelled by cutscenes (like FW) that's one thing, but to advertize the event as something we could seriously influence and then lol30moros us, well that's plain dishonest and insulting.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#12 - 2013-03-22 19:54:01 UTC
Go read a book if you want a set in stone story arc. Meanwhile, I'll play EVE. Side note, TS-F loves our Activists.
Derdrom Utida
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-03-22 20:01:21 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Go read a book if you want a set in stone story arc. Meanwhile, I'll play EVE. Side note, TS-F loves our Activists.


This would imply that EVE's story isn't set in stone. It much-so is, save for interactivity with lore characters. But capsuleers have never directly influenced anything, and I think I'm not the only one who is fine with that.
Derdrom Utida
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-03-22 20:03:06 UTC
Inkarr Hashur wrote:
Derdrom Utida wrote:
Inkarr Hashur wrote:
You're right but being right doesn't change the fact that CCP lied by advertising the event as being one that could be influenced. And they didn't need to lie. And people don't like being lied to.


You're also right that CCP should've made the event more friendlier to blobbing.

But this whole notion that Live Events can be steered by smallsons that fleet up and head out to ~ruin the RP'ers fun~ is stupid. CCP should get up, distance themselves from the "emergent gameplay" crowd and focus on telling the story their way, and allowing capsuleers to just watch.

You know, it not a single one of your posts do you acknowledge the lie that occurred. It just hit me.


CCP claimed that capsuleers would have more of a say in this event, and didn't pull through. Lie acknowledged, my point still stands.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#15 - 2013-03-22 20:04:55 UTC
Derdrom Utida wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Go read a book if you want a set in stone story arc. Meanwhile, I'll play EVE. Side note, TS-F loves our Activists.


This would imply that EVE's story isn't set in stone. It much-so is, save for interactivity with lore characters. But capsuleers have never directly influenced anything, and I think I'm not the only one who is fine with that.


You apparently missed the subtle hint about a Live Event that was very much influenced by Capsuleers.
Derdrom Utida
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-03-22 20:06:55 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Derdrom Utida wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Go read a book if you want a set in stone story arc. Meanwhile, I'll play EVE. Side note, TS-F loves our Activists.


This would imply that EVE's story isn't set in stone. It much-so is, save for interactivity with lore characters. But capsuleers have never directly influenced anything, and I think I'm not the only one who is fine with that.


You apparently missed the subtle hint about a Live Event that was very much influenced by Capsuleers.


Only one that I can really name off the top-of-my-head is the event where Fatal was killed. Were there others?
This Suxbad
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-03-22 20:17:34 UTC
Wow people are shocked that ccp said and did whatever they wanted to. Suck it up this is a great game and it will take a very long time for CCP to run all of us off no matter how hard they try. But I do give them an A for effort.

I had some fun on an otherwise boring day (thank god i got in system or this would be completely diff sentence) and was able to whore on some nice cap kills that may even show up on a couple boards (because eve-kill and BC suck also), but I will take what I can get and say thanks CCP.

Definition of blob is more friends than you! Do you play eve or play eve for others?
Sobach
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-03-22 20:18:01 UTC
William Loire wrote:
We do care (especially us Caldari players) that an important event in Caldari history was determined by a bunch of Developers in capital ships purposefully putting one side's capital ships in a ****** tactical position.


Better than an important event in Gallente history be already notched in stone in downtime with zero participation from anyone, which is how that titan got there in the first place.
Calathorn Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-03-22 20:19:51 UTC
Inkarr Hashur wrote:
Derdrom Utida wrote:
What happened wasn't sandbox, everything was scripted and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh

You can't tell a story in EVE and truly involve the players because they'll just destroy everything and then spam local, every time. We're lucky that we were able to see an important Titan according to the lore go down at all.

BUT CCP SAID THAT WE CAPSULEERS ARE IMPORTANT. HOW DARE THEY LIE TO US

Only way this could have been avoided is if they handwaved everything, and that's lamer than allowing people to be there as events unfold. You're entitled, and in reality, this doesn't affect the gameplay of any capsuleer at all. This is just lore, and is for people that RP. Not everything is to be catered to you.

People don't appreciate being lied to their face, breaking news! (CCP advertised the event as something capsuleers could influence)



30 gallente dreads said "nope"

*splat titan while shrugging off out-numbered subcapital caldari fleet that kept getting D'ced*

BRING BACK THE JUKEBOX

I attended the School of Hard Nocks, the only place you will ever learn anything of value, sadly most Americans never meet the requirments to attend
Baerd Garsenc
Guns and Butter Industries
#20 - 2013-03-22 20:40:27 UTC
Sobach wrote:
William Loire wrote:
We do care (especially us Caldari players) that an important event in Caldari history was determined by a bunch of Developers in capital ships purposefully putting one side's capital ships in a ****** tactical position.


Better than an important event in Gallente history be already notched in stone in downtime with zero participation from anyone, which is how that titan got there in the first place.



There's a BIG difference.

That was a scripted event that players couldn't affect. It's completely legitimate because there was no lie about it.

This was advertised as something that capsuleers could decide. It would have been preferable to sign in after downtime to find out the titan was down.



- The problem isn't that the Caldari were scripted to lose.
- The problem isn't with ANY scripted event that pushes the story in the direction CCP wants/needs


- The problem is being told it's in our hands, when it's not

The real currency of New Eden isn't ISK - it's** trust**. Any idiot can earn ISK.
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