Live Events Discussion

I understand you guys can't execute massively complex capital tactics, but allow me to remember something here. 10 Navy Raven's sit point blank on 10 blaster Navy Mega's. It resolved how everyone assumed it would. Now 5 Phoenix's sit point blank on 25 Moro's. Is there really any doubt the way it was going to end once both fleets were on field?

I love CCP. I love the Live Events team and the effort that goes into these. I really do feel like I am watching and sometimes participating in the shaping of EVE Online. Frankly for a roleplayer it's orgasmic. And I was forefront in defending CCP when people said the Battle for Caldari Prime was going to be a onesided railroaded set event. So I showed up, and got to watch a onesided railroaded set event.

Now I would just like to say I am actually fine with setting up big events where one side is absolutely screwed and going to lose. I have nothing against the Caldari losing their grip on Caldari Prime(OOC anyways, IC it pisses me off. XD ). It's not my story to write, it's a world I have a character in and get to play in. I can write my story, but I cannot write the story of Caldari Prime. Also I think loss and hardship can make for interesting Role Play, and there is certainly buckets of loss and hardship being dished out today.

BUT.




Bullskittles. This fight did not belong to us. We could watch. But with it being in high sec, and there beign about 40-50 Caps on grid, half of them sieged Moros's blasting away and focusing firing, there is zero way players could've had any affect on that. I have no problem watching events. I love watching large scale things. But please do not sell events as "your actions" can make a difference and that the fight "belongs to you" when it doesn't.

It is impossible to have had enough logi on the field to tank 25 sieged Moros with only subcap logi and have enough DPS on field to take down any of the capital ships. And that's assuming all few hundred on grid are cooperating in the same fleet.

What gets me is this military action was supposed to result in Caldari basically nuking a bunch of gallente civilians they were holding "hostage" on the planet. Which would have made for interesting grey morality.

But they didn't go through with it? Totally disappointed. Caldari lost a titan, their planet changed hands, and one of the more interesting military stalemates just evaporated as if it never existed.

Disappointed again.

Not sure if you understand how tracking works, but i'm going to go ahead and say that moros that had a tank capable of tanking the dps at first cant track most things. (t3 fleet anyone?) and there are fleets that would have had no issue taking those down.

At the start I got some jams on some Moros's that were slow to siege. After they wised up I jammed out Gallente RPer's in battleships and subcap logi. So it was pretty effective. But even if I kept all Gallente sided players jammed, the capital ships were the only thing deciding the battle.

so wrong

a moros does about 12k dps, but its pointless

apart from ships at long range or battleships, sieged dreads cant track for ****. since there were just capitals, they cant web you, cant hit you, youre fine. any ship with an afterburner can kite the dread mob for eternity

lets say and average ship does 400 dps. a single rep moros tanks about 5k iirc. so 15 of them is enough to overcome the tank

there were 1500 players in system, 25 moros, 5 phoenix, 10 chimera and 8 (?) thanetos. any sizeble fleet in that system could have wiped them out in mere minutes

at the start of teh fight i shot the wrong person and got concorded. This was about 2 minutes into the event. when i lost the timer so i could undock again, the live stream was down, as was the titan, several supers and most of the caldari caps

the entire fight was about 15-20 minutes

Getting a few hundred in fleet is not so unusual... especially for the large fleets...

And it is very possible to speed tank a moros. Especially given it's CCP fitting and flying them...

Did they bring lots of paints and 90% webs to properly support tracking Moros? There are no 90% web ships listed on eve-kill... so I highly doubt it. Without such support, even tracking fit Moros will have trouble blapping ships off the field (although some casualties will be had!).

You miss the point about three times in that post.

First, yeah getting a few hundred in fleet is not a problem. I've been in 200 man fleets on occasion. But when local is limited to 1000, there's 300-500 on grid from all over the cluster, you're not going to have a 250 man fleet that is coordinated.

Second, yeah, you can speed tank a Moros. Good for you, we're not talking about saving subcaps. The problem was saving the caps. Sieged Phoenix's are not going to speed tank a Moros. The Leviathan with full tank set is not going to speed tank 30 Moros.

The whole idea is we could influence the story. And the story did not revolve around subcaps, it revolved around the Titan. And there was no way to save it. You can bring a fleet of 250 people, but they would all have to be Basilisks to even think about saving it. And if you do that, you are not going to have DPS to down any of the Moros's. So what do you do? Do you bring enough DPS to take down the Gallente fleet but the Caldari fleet dies first because 30 Moros, or enough Logi to save things against said Moros but you still lose because you can't take down the Gallente?



You sound as if I care that the Titan was lost. I don't. I specificly said that the Caldari can lost and hurray! So what, I got to take part of the EVE story line. Which is what I am here for. The problem is that it was sold as something we could take part in and affect but in reality, there wasn't the ability to get enough Players on grid in ships that could alter the momentum of the Gallente fleet.

well if you want to get picky....moros is capable of over 15k dps easily

http://i.imgur.com/kHvWQSS.png?1

the whole point of pulling numbers out of my ass was to illustrate how incredibly unlikely it would be for anyone to have any significant impact on the event.

It is equally unlikely for enough hisec randoms to pull together and destroy 15 moros in under 10 minutes as it is for 300 random scimitars to magically appear and rep the titan.

https://adashboard.info/intel/dscan/view/AsAKrUpZ

Run some 'maths' on that ;)

edit: can you say 'kitchen sink' ?

*A storm came, and when it arrived your actions couldn't really either assist in maintaining a fragile stability, or usher in a new era in politics that would have resonated across every world in New Eden.

You couldn't save the titan... we both agree on that... but you could influence how much it cost the Gallente to take it down... and I think that's where the player-told portion comes in.