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Dev Blog: The Battle for Caldari Prime

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Arthay
#141 - 2013-03-21 22:18:43 UTC
If you militia people can't help in luminaire, go and try to capture most of the fw system when the gallente are busy in luminaire

 If you find any misspelling or grammar errors, your allowed to keep them.

Vikarion
Doomheim
#142 - 2013-03-21 22:22:04 UTC
Arthay wrote:
If you militia people can't help in luminaire, go and try to capture most of the fw system when the gallente are busy in luminaire


Um, every time we take a lot of Gallente systems, CCP writes it up as a Gallente victory, with Caldari getting screwed. If we let the Gallente take all the systems, we get the same thing, but we get to fight closer to Jita. Do the math.
Arthay
#143 - 2013-03-21 22:32:18 UTC
Vikarion wrote:

Um, every time we take a lot of Gallente systems, CCP writes it up as a Gallente victory, with Caldari getting screwed. If we let the Gallente take all the systems, we get the same thing, but we get to fight closer to Jita. Do the math.


then we are screwed and our only option is to evacuate caldari prime again

 If you find any misspelling or grammar errors, your allowed to keep them.

Vikarion
Doomheim
#144 - 2013-03-21 22:35:38 UTC
Arthay wrote:
Vikarion wrote:

Um, every time we take a lot of Gallente systems, CCP writes it up as a Gallente victory, with Caldari getting screwed. If we let the Gallente take all the systems, we get the same thing, but we get to fight closer to Jita. Do the math.


then we are screwed and our only option is to evacuate caldari prime again


Truthiness.
Mordecai Heller
Offstation Fund Administration
#145 - 2013-03-21 22:39:19 UTC
Arthay wrote:
If you militia people can't help in luminaire, go and try to capture most of the fw system when the gallente are busy in luminaire


Diabolical.
Roseline Penshar
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#146 - 2013-03-21 23:07:17 UTC
can you extend the duration until sunday downtime? friday - saturday eve downtime is not a whole day holiday
Onyx Nyx
The Veldspar Protectorate
#147 - 2013-03-21 23:17:44 UTC
*yawn*

Wake me up when there is actually content for EVE.

I kill kittens, and puppies and bunnies. I maim toddlers and teens and then more.

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Maximus Andendare
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#148 - 2013-03-21 23:27:10 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

Capsuleers,

For five years a wall of Caldari steel has sat in orbit of the besieged planet of Caldari Prime. The Gallente who still reside there cower in its shadow, held to ransom on the whim of Caldari State Executor, Tibus Heth.

Soon, it will be time for you to show your worth, and display your prowess on the battlefield. You've all come so far in the last ten years, and the time draws closer when your immortal brethren on the ground will begin to assist you in shaping the political landscape of New Eden.

A storm is coming, and when it arrives your actions could either assist in maintaining a fragile stability, or usher in a new era in politics that will resonate across every world in New Eden.

You can read more about the storm that is brewing here.

Will there be any special considerations given out for attending the event as a space pilot? I know the Dusties are getting special dropsuits. Any chance for a special, well, anything for attending the space game??

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Marsan
#149 - 2013-03-22 01:29:25 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Darien Antilles wrote:
Quote:
If you want to participate in shaping EVE's history, you should monitor the news closely over the next few days and set aside your Friday afternoon (UTC).


...unless you actually have a job that precludes it.


Sadly there is no one time that works for everyone. Sorry. =/


This is one of the reasons why we are streaming the event - so that those that are unable to participate can still see what's going on. It's regrettable that the nature of the event and logistics of running the event don't allow for 24 hour coverage, but them's the breaks.



Yeah because watching a live stream really makes up for being there. Mean while you guys shaft your US customers yet again. Even for the guys willing to take time off this isn't even enough notice for most people to arrange for a day off. It wouldn't such be a big issue if we missed just this one, but I can't remember the last time US players had a live event. Don't you guys have developers and GMs in the US that could run one?

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#150 - 2013-03-22 02:02:33 UTC
Question for the horribly uninformed, when do these events typically occur?
Krell Kroenen
The Devil's Shadow
#151 - 2013-03-22 02:14:11 UTC
Like others I am not too keen on the out come of this event being already decided, but I guess it doesn't really matter to much since I will be at work for it any way. Roll
Octoven
Stellar Production
#152 - 2013-03-22 02:39:31 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Octoven wrote:
The real ironic part I find funny is that Any Gallente militia toons can show up and not only hold a tactical advantage of having their NPC big brothers to protect them, but they can also OB dusties.

As I understand it, and thanks to CCP's brilliant game design, you can only OB if you are in FW. Since Caldari militia will most likely be targeted by NPC Battleships and player militia, it stands to reason that CCP is essentially precluding you from being able to OB unless you are signed up for Gallente militia. If you are signed up for Caldari, you will find it damn near impossible to get off a OB shot before being gunned down by NPCs.

Meanwhile, Gallente are free to OB. It seems that there is no way to play this from the Caldari side. Another blow to Caldari pilots. Give it time and no one will even play the race let alone fly their ships.


You can also only OB if you are in a Factional Warfare system.

Luminaire is not a factional warfare system.




Isn't it actually fact that although this mechanic is true, Gallente FW characters have been spotted OB CP despite your reiteration here that its not possible for them to? Granted live events are scripted, but to allow Gallente to OB and Caldari not to only serves to present an unbalanced approach to a game where the devs are attempting to balance it.

As I understand it, live events were originally conceived of as a means to allow players to ban together in a quasi-unscripted manner to determine how the outcome would play out. For instance, Incursions. They were designed to allow players from any race or skill level to participate and have an equal chance at molding the outcome in their favor. Essentially what CCP has done here is an Anti-Live Event. What is happening is that CCP is once again placing game development mandates on a player base who fell in love with the player's role in the game....not the devs.

I had hoped the events of the Jita riots some time ago game Devs insights into what the players find acceptable and not. However, it seems they haven't learned at all. Caldari are going to lose, the titan will go down, and nothing anyone does on either side will stop that from happening....kind of a storyline buzz kill don't you think? The least CCP could do is force NPC navies to shoot each other as well. The Caldari are pretty much getting the ass end of this deal.

After the hit to Heavy missiles, nerfs to the viability of missiles in general, increasing armor tanking and leaving shields out to dry. This little stunt of the Caldari taking yet another hit doesn't surprise me at all. I used to fly Caldari, but ive been switching over to Amarr now since Caldari ships really are becoming crap.

This event is supposed to strengthen the playing relationship between eve and dust and yet it is only the gallente and minmatar who are gaining anything from this event. Thank you CCP for reasserting my point that the Caldari are becoming a dying race to play and will certainly be defeated tomorrow as well. I think I liked this game more when devs WERENT involved.

Vikarion
Doomheim
#153 - 2013-03-22 03:20:58 UTC
Octoven, I entirely sympathize, but there are a few things you should know.

First, a new Dev (Falcon) got hired on, who used to be Gurista/Federation/Minnie aligned, or friends with those so aligned. He, and one or two others, are driving the current story. He's promised that things will change, however, not how things will change, and many RPers are pretty cynical by this point. So far, everything has been pretty anti-Caldari, which is not new.

Second, a CCP dev has already posted in this thread that they don't run events in such a way that players can change them from the ground up. So this event is pretty railroaded, but this has been true of events since Aurora.

Third, it's not just the Caldari who've been hit like this, a lot of Amarr RPers are pretty pissed as well.

Fourth, Caldari has always been the PvE race, and it hasn't been until fairly recently that some Caldari ships have become useful (Moa, etc). So we're actually doing better in terms of ships than ever before. We're still the worst race, but hey. Just don't train missiles, train hybrids. Missiles are almost always worthless, except for HAMs, rockets, and light missiles in a couple situations.

Fifth, CCP isn't interested in the Caldari and Amarr RP scene growing. CCP Falcon has already said that he thinks they are healthy (Eve fiction thread, may try to find it). I disagree, since I've been watching them fall out right and left, but CCP's focus is on growing the Minmatar and Gallente sides.

So, if I can offer some advice, your best bet is to stop caring about who wins, and what's going on, because if you rolled Caldari, you aren't going to get anything from CCP. Except, maybe, a kick in the teeth.
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#154 - 2013-03-22 03:31:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Deacon Abox
OMG the butthurt in this thread. I got the gist skimming a few posts. It's a ******* game guys. Why make yourselves mad over something you can't control. It's not like there won't be/haven't been some storyline events that Gallente won't like. That's really the very nature of "storyline". It's being written by an author. Do you get this mad reading a damn book and having characters die or whatever in them?

Anyway, so many people won't be able to participate in this crap regardless because we've all gone pie with the stupidity of plex mechanics and neutrals. So most of us can't attend and don't really care about this. I care way more about the warzone and the fights there. A canned "live event" is just that. It really shouldn't bother anyone either way tbh. Put some of that butthurt into having fun in warzone fights and forget about this thing. Don't ruin your rl health getting so wound up over it.

And CCP if you are going to fix anything pve and npc related how about fixing the stupid faction rat AI so that we can enter an enemy mission and not have our own rats blow us up for trying to kill the enemy missioner. Or how about having any neutral that comes into a plex get flagged for aggressing the faction of the dplexer, loses faction standing, and that rat will attack the neutral.

People attending this thing should just try to have fun if you can suspend your emotional "attachment" to the in-game factions. It's just a game, and this event is not really a contest the way the warzone pvp is, so why get all bent over it.Straight

edit - are you all Damar alts?

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Drunken Bum
#155 - 2013-03-22 04:46:47 UTC
is there any write up that has ALL the info on this? Like when exactly, what exactly, why the hell it would interest me exactly, that sorta thing? Other than "OMG BIG STUFF AT LUMINAIRE!! BIIIIG STUFFFFF!"

After the patch we're giving the market some gentle supply restriction, like tying one wrist to the bedpost loosely with soft silk rope. Just enough to make things a bit more exciting for the market, not enough to make a safeword necessary.  -Fozzie

Octoven
Stellar Production
#156 - 2013-03-22 04:49:28 UTC
Deacon Abox wrote:
OMG the butthurt in this thread. I got the gist skimming a few posts. It's a ******* game guys. Why make yourselves mad over something you can't control. It's not like there won't be/haven't been some storyline events that Gallente won't like. That's really the very nature of "storyline". It's being written by an author. Do you get this mad reading a damn book and having characters die or whatever in them?

Anyway, so many people won't be able to participate in this crap regardless because we've all gone pie with the stupidity of plex mechanics and neutrals. So most of us can't attend and don't really care about this. I care way more about the warzone and the fights there. A canned "live event" is just that. It really shouldn't bother anyone either way tbh. Put some of that butthurt into having fun in warzone fights and forget about this thing. Don't ruin your rl health getting so wound up over it.

And CCP if you are going to fix anything pve and npc related how about fixing the stupid faction rat AI so that we can enter an enemy mission and not have our own rats blow us up for trying to kill the enemy missioner. Or how about having any neutral that comes into a plex get flagged for aggressing the faction of the dplexer, loses faction standing, and that rat will attack the neutral.

People attending this thing should just try to have fun if you can suspend your emotional "attachment" to the in-game factions. It's just a game, and this event is not really a contest the way the warzone pvp is, so why get all bent over it.Straight

edit - are you all Damar alts?


I believe my post was pretty calm; however, it seems you sir are the one getting butt hurt and mad over our protest of these incidents. Im sure if the tables were reverse you would be doing the same, game or not, players expect to play the game, not sit and look pretty for CCP to play the game for them.

CCP has always maintained this sorta of non-interference policy in the past to allow players to build the universe not CCP Devs, and over the last few years that has changed. To be honest I do not believe devs should be doing live events in the first place. Let us play the game...not observe it >.>
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#157 - 2013-03-22 04:56:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
I will tell you one thing, most of the dust 514 community wants to kill Heth, even the caldari loyalist are saying such stating it would be best for the state.

Amarrians loyalist bunnies are oddly the only ones trying to fight for Heth.

Either way Gallente is building something massive on the ground.

As for the whole story ordeal... you just have to realize that just sometimes... there is absolutely nothing you can do to change something. I mean that hamburger you ate. Yeah some one killed a cow for it, and you not buying it is not going to magically bring that cow back to life and all and you being vegan wouldn't have changed it either, and if you likely where to have tried some sort of terrorist attack to save the cow they would still killed the cow or put it out of its misery depending on how much misery you put the poor creature though.

Also if the Gallente do bring in the proto-titans... I don't see the leviathan surviving an onslaught from that and its escorts while getting hammered from the surface. Maybe if the caldari did not insist on putting the titan in low orbit things would be different but I am quite sure cynos and jump portals are a big no no in atmo.

Overall most of you should be happy, this is probably the largest story changing event we actually get to take part in instead of it happening so conversely during down time.

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Vikarion
Doomheim
#158 - 2013-03-22 05:15:44 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
I will tell you one thing, most of the dust 514 community wants to kill Heth, even the caldari loyalist are saying such stating it would be best for the state.

Amarrians loyalist bunnies are oddly the only ones trying to fight for Heth.

Either way Gallente is building something massive on the ground.


Well, CCP has been running "Caldari suck and are nazis" and "Amarr are evil child-molesting religious slavers" stories for, uh, let's see, about the past five years, whether the Caldari and Amarr won, or lost. And when DUST was introduced, the first thing they made sure to do was to run a massive campaign with the Caldari trying to kill all of the players. I'm surprised there are any dusties left on anything but the Minnie/Gal sides. There are certainly precious few Caldari or Amarr RPers anymore, compared to what there used to be.

And why would someone want to join the Amarr or Caldari? At this point it is very clear that our only purpose is to be the whipping boy for CCP and Minnie/Gal/Guristas players to look good beating. If anyone RPing on the Caldari or Amarr side has any self-respect left, they'll quit.
Octoven
Stellar Production
#159 - 2013-03-22 05:26:05 UTC
Vikarion wrote:
Octoven, I entirely sympathize, but there are a few things you should know.

First, a new Dev (Falcon) got hired on, who used to be Gurista/Federation/Minnie aligned, or friends with those so aligned. He, and one or two others, are driving the current story. He's promised that things will change, however, not how things will change, and many RPers are pretty cynical by this point. So far, everything has been pretty anti-Caldari, which is not new.

Second, a CCP dev has already posted in this thread that they don't run events in such a way that players can change them from the ground up. So this event is pretty railroaded, but this has been true of events since Aurora.

Third, it's not just the Caldari who've been hit like this, a lot of Amarr RPers are pretty pissed as well.

Fourth, Caldari has always been the PvE race, and it hasn't been until fairly recently that some Caldari ships have become useful (Moa, etc). So we're actually doing better in terms of ships than ever before. We're still the worst race, but hey. Just don't train missiles, train hybrids. Missiles are almost always worthless, except for HAMs, rockets, and light missiles in a couple situations.

Fifth, CCP isn't interested in the Caldari and Amarr RP scene growing. CCP Falcon has already said that he thinks they are healthy (Eve fiction thread, may try to find it). I disagree, since I've been watching them fall out right and left, but CCP's focus is on growing the Minmatar and Gallente sides.

So, if I can offer some advice, your best bet is to stop caring about who wins, and what's going on, because if you rolled Caldari, you aren't going to get anything from CCP. Except, maybe, a kick in the teeth.


Sooo what you are saying effectively is that CCP Falcon and other story devs are Gall fanboys and using the live event system as a means to finally purge caldari influence in Luminaire?
Vikarion
Doomheim
#160 - 2013-03-22 05:33:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Vikarion
Octoven wrote:
Sooo what you are saying effectively is that CCP Falcon and other story devs are Gall fanboys and using the live event system as a means to finally purge caldari influence in Luminaire?


It doesn't matter whether they are dyed in the wool fanboys or not, though it looks that way. What matters is what they've done. It didn't start with the CP event, and it won't end with it. They've said they were going to "change things" before, and every time they do that, they have another event or storyline that goes after the Caldari and/or Amarr. Form your own conclusions.

But it's pretty clear that continuing to RP Caldari is basically asking to be CCP's punching bag. Why someone would like that is beyond me.