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A way to get caldari FW into any Caldari prime fight
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-03-20 23:04:18 UTC
Since the navy still would have power over all transit systems, would be silly to, for example, turn off fw or faction npc flagging.

With all the tools at FW disposal, possibly can have a "Call to arms" Where NPC staging base can open a jump bridge into caldari prime. Gives a good target too, take out whatever might happen, take out jump bridge, etc. If caldari win, they can go home. If they lose, they are better off dead anyways. Just a thought to bring caldari supporters easier into the fight.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#2 - 2013-03-21 00:00:28 UTC
The downside is that IIRC all the highsec Cyno Jammers are under CONCORD control.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Skilfer Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-03-21 00:48:06 UTC
The area has already been flagged as a danger zone by CONCORD. This could in theory provide the basis for a conflict to take place without fear of CONCORD intervention ;) This is just an assumption of course, but I feel that it is all too convenient.
Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
The Fourth District
#4 - 2013-03-21 01:39:16 UTC
I think the reference is actually the fact that there is a Gallente High-Sec system between Luminaire and Caldari Space and anyone with -5 Gallente Federation standing or in the STPRO will cause the spawning of Fed Navy NPCs in both systems.

Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Skilfer Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-03-21 01:48:46 UTC
Dex Nederland wrote:
I think the reference is actually the fact that there is a Gallente High-Sec system between Luminaire and Caldari Space and anyone with -5 Gallente Federation standing or in the STPRO will cause the spawning of Fed Navy NPCs in both systems.


Be sure to remember that Luminaire is also the home system of Gallente Prime. The only part of the system that belongs to the Caldari is that one planet, Caldari Prime, so it makes sense that there would be Federation Navy NPC in Luminaire.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#6 - 2013-03-21 02:53:40 UTC
I can imagine ongoing conflict in the system could cause the Federation navy's coverage in that system to become spotty.

They can make the navy stop spawning in that system outside of certain areas then militia can fly in in pods while a third party drops off war materials in the stations.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#7 - 2013-03-21 04:04:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Evi Polevhia
"They can do this" and "They can do that"

The problem is I don't think they can. At least not on this time table. I'm just guessing here but I think if Eterne/Falcon -could- shut off the FW rats from taking out any Caldari Militia that try to come help....I don't think they would, and I don't think they could.

I mean it sucks massively. After Algogille and now Luminere, it seems like the Caldari Militia have no chance to defend the State. But then again, they are doing this inside Federation territory. There is no earthly(or otherwise) reason why it should be easy for a Caldari Militia taskforce of any kind to pop over into Federation space to assist the Titan. Once again I know it sucks, but there isn't a reason why it should be easy or fair. You wanna talk fair? You at least have a Militia to fight for. My peeps in EVE are a plot device isk faucet. Tell me about suck and fair. :)

And second point the point on whether or not they could. I could be wrong but I don't think they have stated yet whether or not this is technicly possible for them to do. Over the last year the rallying cry at CCP has been "OH GOD OUR PROGRAMMERS GOT LOST FOR FIVE DAYS IN THE CODE". There has never really been a reason to have a "Turn Off FW In This System" button installed, and last I checked Falcon is not a super ultra mega programming wizard. I do however recall him once mentioning that even they are subject to the rules of the game. There are certain things coded in that are simply rules that they do not have the ability to break. CCP cannot currently have a titan use stargates. They cannot cyno into cynojammed systems. Etc. So asking them to rip out FW rats on a temporary basis is something that is theoretically possible, but probably not possible to get coded right any time this expansion.

Edit: If the Militia -reeeeaaaally- want to get in, I do have a suggestion. I am not fully up on how FW rats behave. If they will spawn in with you on grid no matter where you are to try to kill you then this won't work. BUT. Maybe try and get an non-Militia friendly Orca to move in ships. But do not meet in/on a station. Have a pre set safe spot offgrid from everything. Have the Milita come in in pods (Quickly so other plays don't kill you). Meet up with the orca. Press button, recieve bacon ships.
William Loire
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-03-21 05:23:23 UTC  |  Edited by: William Loire
Evi Polevhia wrote:

Edit: If the Militia -reeeeaaaally- want to get in, I do have a suggestion. I am not fully up on how FW rats behave. If they will spawn in with you on grid no matter where you are to try to kill you then this won't work. BUT. Maybe try and get an non-Militia friendly Orca to move in ships. But do not meet in/on a station. Have a pre set safe spot offgrid from everything. Have the Milita come in in pods (Quickly so other plays don't kill you). Meet up with the orca. Press button, recieve bacon ships.


This does not work. The Federation Rats spawn on any grid in Luminaire without repercussion, including the grid with the Caldari fleet on it. The Caldari fleet does not appear to attack the rats and the rats will focus solely on you.Even as an Amarr combatant with, not so terrible Gallente standings, I cannot participate in this event despite my desire to aid the Caldari fleet.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#9 - 2013-03-21 06:57:50 UTC
William Loire wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:

Edit: If the Militia -reeeeaaaally- want to get in, I do have a suggestion. I am not fully up on how FW rats behave. If they will spawn in with you on grid no matter where you are to try to kill you then this won't work. BUT. Maybe try and get an non-Militia friendly Orca to move in ships. But do not meet in/on a station. Have a pre set safe spot offgrid from everything. Have the Milita come in in pods (Quickly so other plays don't kill you). Meet up with the orca. Press button, recieve bacon ships.


This does not work. The Federation Rats spawn on any grid in Luminaire without repercussion, including the grid with the Caldari fleet on it. The Caldari fleet does not appear to attack the rats and the rats will focus solely on you.Even as an Amarr combatant with, not so terrible Gallente standings, I cannot participate in this event despite my desire to aid the Caldari fleet.


How strong are the rats? Can they be tanked or delt with by a strong coordinated group? If not then I sugguest dropping corp if you can asap, otherwise.....*Shrug* It's enemy territory. Sorry. =/
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#10 - 2013-03-21 07:00:52 UTC
Well you can't your standing don't allow for it... but you can make an alt

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#11 - 2013-03-21 10:53:58 UTC
Couldn't the Caldari Navy create a jump portal to the titan in Luminaire if they wanted quick backup from their FW Capsuleers?

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#12 - 2013-03-21 11:24:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Mabego Tetrimon
i just wonder how one of our FW-members can camp Jita and get all these kills Cool

http://spdr.eve-kill.net


(look up Dav Varan #3 on killboard....direct link not working for whatever reason)
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#13 - 2013-03-21 11:42:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Akrasjel Lanate
Abrazzar wrote:
Couldn't the Caldari Navy create a jump portal to the titan in Luminaire if they wanted quick backup from their FW Capsuleers?

The can't do that beacause CONCORD, remember the only reason that they attacked and have a Titan on caldari prime is beacause the CONCORD central station that controls the "system" was attacked by the Elder Fleet

UPDATE: But it will be streamed you could watch it here - http://pl.twitch.tv/ccp

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#14 - 2013-03-21 12:15:04 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Couldn't the Caldari Navy create a jump portal to the titan in Luminaire if they wanted quick backup from their FW Capsuleers?

The can't do that beacause CONCORD, remember the only reason that they attacked and have a Titan on caldari prime is beacause the CONCORD central station that controls the "system" was attacked by the Elder Fleet

UPDATE: But it will be streamed you could watch it here - http://pl.twitch.tv/ccp

If the Gallente want to take down the titan, they will want capitals there themselves. To get them there, they need to turn off the cyno jammer. This in turn will open a window for the Caldari Navy to react.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#15 - 2013-03-21 13:01:27 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Couldn't the Caldari Navy create a jump portal to the titan in Luminaire if they wanted quick backup from their FW Capsuleers?

The can't do that beacause CONCORD, remember the only reason that they attacked and have a Titan on caldari prime is beacause the CONCORD central station that controls the "system" was attacked by the Elder Fleet

UPDATE: But it will be streamed you could watch it here - http://pl.twitch.tv/ccp

If the Gallente want to take down the titan, they will want capitals there themselves. To get them there, they need to turn off the cyno jammer. This in turn will open a window for the Caldari Navy to react.


This is based on two things.

1: The Gallente needing to bring in Capitals from outside and not having them in Deadspace all along.

2: CONCORD turning off the Cynojammer for them if they asked anyway.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#16 - 2013-03-21 14:02:01 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Couldn't the Caldari Navy create a jump portal to the titan in Luminaire if they wanted quick backup from their FW Capsuleers?

The can't do that beacause CONCORD, remember the only reason that they attacked and have a Titan on caldari prime is beacause the CONCORD central station that controls the "system" was attacked by the Elder Fleet

UPDATE: But it will be streamed you could watch it here - http://pl.twitch.tv/ccp

If the Gallente want to take down the titan, they will want capitals there themselves. To get them there, they need to turn off the cyno jammer. This in turn will open a window for the Caldari Navy to react.


This is based on two things.

1: The Gallente needing to bring in Capitals from outside and not having them in Deadspace all along.

2: CONCORD turning off the Cynojammer for them if they asked anyway.


But from what i understand each faction can freely move capitals on there territory/sov, or maby they have to ask CONCORD every time for permission ?

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-03-21 14:25:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Caviar Liberta
If getting to Caldari Prime is a problem then maybe Sansha Kuvakei could have called a temporary truce with the caldari state and provided a worm hole connection from New Caldari to Caldari Prime seeing that he was born a caldari.
Toluijin Chagangan
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-03-21 14:36:39 UTC
The standings issue for Caldari FW pilots is totally within EvE Lore.

Remember that the problem with even maintaining the fleet defending the titan over caldari prime is the lack of a supply route, which makes the cost of having it there rise exponentially.

does it put the caldari attempt to defend the titan at a disadvantage? yes.
Should it? also yes.

Defending that planet is meant to be a tactical, logistic and financial nightmare for the state. you can try to turn up, but Roden and FedNav police will be hot on your tail.
Toluijin Chagangan
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-03-21 14:38:55 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Couldn't the Caldari Navy create a jump portal to the titan in Luminaire if they wanted quick backup from their FW Capsuleers?

The can't do that beacause CONCORD, remember the only reason that they attacked and have a Titan on caldari prime is beacause the CONCORD central station that controls the "system" was attacked by the Elder Fleet

UPDATE: But it will be streamed you could watch it here - http://pl.twitch.tv/ccp

If the Gallente want to take down the titan, they will want capitals there themselves. To get them there, they need to turn off the cyno jammer. This in turn will open a window for the Caldari Navy to react.


This is based on two things.

1: The Gallente needing to bring in Capitals from outside and not having them in Deadspace all along.

2: CONCORD turning off the Cynojammer for them if they asked anyway.


But from what i understand each faction can freely move capitals on there territory/sov, or maby they have to ask CONCORD every time for permission ?


CONCORD cyno jammers only affect freelance capsuleers. (i.e players)

however, their insta-kill abilities work on anything in high sec. therefore the empires don't generally go against the YC treaty... well... apart from that one day... when CONCORD went offline.
William Loire
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-03-21 15:34:16 UTC
Toluijin Chagangan wrote:
The standings issue for Caldari FW pilots is totally within EvE Lore.

Remember that the problem with even maintaining the fleet defending the titan over caldari prime is the lack of a supply route, which makes the cost of having it there rise exponentially.

does it put the caldari attempt to defend the titan at a disadvantage? yes.
Should it? also yes.

Defending that planet is meant to be a tactical, logistic and financial nightmare for the state. you can try to turn up, but Roden and FedNav police will be hot on your tail.



The problem is the lore only works in one direction. I can get to the Titan grid without much hassle but as soon as I'm on the grid for more than a few seconds the gallente police attack without repercussion. The large fleet of Caldari ships doesn't even try to fend them off. From a lore perspective why would this happen?
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