EVE General Discussion

Yes, I do also feel that we broke the FW

Edit: Anyway alts were not reason why pvp ended, it was consequence, no need to fight so alts are fine to do boring job.

Removing npc from plexes is not solution, it just adds possibility swarm alts and cap plexes afk, only change needed is to ensure that npc attacks all who can capture that plex. Some balance maybe needed for npc to make it fair for all militias, npc should be so powerfull that afk 60k skillpoint alts cant handle those. Doing co-operation with two guys or more with smaller ships to speed tank those npc:s should be possible as it is now. Maybe change npc agro only if you touch timer, then you can snipe afk defending alts without npc interference.

FW Missions are fine, incursions are easier isk anyway and involves less risk and effort.

Super carriers etc are not problem if fights happen in plexes.

Plex ship restrictions should be adjusted properly to put pirate faction ships to same category as same size T2 ships.

Plex spawning should be adjusted so that plexes spawn on all time zones making plex warfare 23/7 process.

Downtimes should not affect plex spawning in any way and capturing systems or recapturing those back should take approx same amount of time or effort.

Passivity should not be best tactics to defend, it should be pvp action that makes it possible take or defend systems. So make it worth for bigger fleets to participate plexing efforts, transfer those daily blob fights happen to in plexes on some way.

Make some reason to die on plex fight so you do not die for nothing.

2 ships speed tank is ok? So completely turn it into fw missions with a speed tank alt???

So long as we have npcs in plexes plexxing will be a pve activity. Notifiy the militia players when where and how their militiary complexes are being taken and let them fight for them if they wish.

The mission are only fine if you not in FW with your main, and using them to make easy isk with an alt or two.

PVE being in FW at all, is not fine.

I don't do FW and never have, so I look at this from an outsiders perspective. I've looked at it and decided that it wasn't something I'd do as a new player and later it just wasn't worth it ruining my faction standings for. FW isn't something you can just explore for a bit and switch to something else once you've had enough of it. It's a choice that will affect your character for the rest of your life in Eve. This sets FW apart. I can go into lowsec and 0.0. I can build stuff, mine, do missions, incursions, complexes, etc. I won't do FW. Most players will never touch it and as such until this is somehow fixed I think it's not something CCP should put a lot of development effort in.

What remains is a lot of development that will affect FW on the sidelines. FW doesn't seem to be forgotten (you do get a discount on CO BPCs), but new expansions will only improve FW as a side-effect. The supercap nerf is a good example. FW players should pay attention to those developments and make sure their views from the FW point-of-view is heared and taken into account.

Standing restoration
Standing restoration is often complained about, not only in relation to FW. When people join my corporation, people who have been doing missions in other faction's space often have to grind lvl 1 missions for weeks at a time before they can do missions where we live. Once they reach -2 they can suddenly do any mission for every corp they have sufficient standing for. I'd prefer a more gradual approach: at -4 you can do lvl II, at -2 lvl III, at -1 lvl IV and for lvl V you need >0 standing. That means you will have more achievements to work for than currently and more variation in missions.

Custom Offices, Dust
It amazes me that so little has been said in this thread about Dust and custom offices. I read that Dust PvE in highsec will be somehow tied in with FW rather than normal missions. Although I have seen no mentioning of this recently.
Custom Offices are another thing worth mentioning. Player owned COs could play a role in the new SOV mechanics which will probably use some form of descriptive ownership. The news that players will be able to erect those offices in lowsec is a hint at a similar change for FW SOV mechanics.

In the discussions about what should happen to 0.0 it was mentioned that faction standings should matter. Actions should have consequences. What if NPCs could function similar to faction police and only aggress those that have poor standing with them from 'ratting'. Or if factions could refuse them from docking. That last thing could also be the case in empire space and thus affect FW.

I like the idea of bringing FW to highsec, although I think this should be limitted to the less secure systems in hisec (0.5, maybe 0.6). The most secure systems should continue to be relatively safe for friendly FW players. Players should be able to take out the 'criminals' that venture into enemy territory.

Not nurf FW missions - get rid of them entirely. Or if not that then make them something you can't do in any stealth ship. Currently you can run FW missions (Amarr and Gallente especially due to no missiles) in a single Stealth Bomber. Come over to Bleak Lands and count the number of Purifiers and Hounds you see (or not see but see jumping) and you will see the problem.

If there is a PvE element to FW - it has to be a lot more integrated. As it is now, its not about sharing wealth, its about FW becoming another Motsu style cash cow.

And those bombers are problem for why and why it is wrong to grind isk and why it is more wrong to grind isk in FW?

CCP can say that all players have to participate 0.0 sov warfare, all other action will be removed from game.

People will just quit and do something else. If you remove mission it does not bring those guys to pvp.

I do not know why people are pissed of about others doing when they do not themself participate FW warfare, How much you have points from plexing?

Real Rewards: The FW corp for each militia that scores the most kills and victory points gets to lead a team of FW pilots from their faction in the Alliance Tournament.

Total Points = Corp FW Kills/Total FW Kills + Corp VP/Total VP.

You want FW active? This'll get it active.

The militia will be notified where you and any alts are trying to capture plexes. Its not like this will be hard to follow. The messages will just say when/where and ship type when someone enters or exits a plex.

If these military complexes are so important its hard to understand why the militia is not informed when they are attacked.





Nobody wants to go scouting for your hide and seek alts. They should just inform us when and where military complexes are being attacked so we can get on with the fighting.

I think you know very well that a simple notification channel would cause problems for your alt brigade. That may be why you don't like the idea.

The map crashes my cient about 50% of the time. Also I do not think it tells me where people are entering complexes.

BTW: I do agree with your other points on fw.