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Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#1 - 2013-03-16 08:36:21 UTC
I think it should have another launcher slot or a full flight of drones to pick up it's meager dps in comparison to an actual dronefrigate such as the tristan and a missile/rocket boat like the kestrel

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2013-03-16 11:25:58 UTC
It does more damage than most ships at its fighting range tbh..

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Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#3 - 2013-03-16 19:40:16 UTC
It may just have to do with my lower end minmatar frigate skills, It probably does better around level 4-5. But I still find that if anything it could use a slightly larger drone bay

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Vayn Baxtor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-03-16 20:30:30 UTC
I'm not sure if I'd like to see larger drone bays as an answer to all of frigates, but if it helps.
Kestrel afaik is the actual counterpart of Breacher for comparison, not the Tristan.

People tend to see Kestrel as to be the "king of missiles" as it is a Caldari frigate, so this may be why the Breacher has only three launcher slots. Therefore, the Breacher is likely balanced by the speed it can have along with the two drones.

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Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#5 - 2013-03-16 20:35:50 UTC
I just considered it being in the realm of the tristan being that it's one of the few t1 frigates that have a drone bay at all

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Vayn Baxtor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-03-16 21:24:34 UTC
Actually, I did not think about it the other way. I see what you mean now.

I guess Breacher is more of a crossover between the two, along with minmatar's speed trait. So it is like missiles + speed + drones. Bit of everything. However, it is probably likely going for that "Jack of All Trades, Master of None", which makes it suck again, hence your OP of this thread. (ymmv)

But I understand that it is that moment where one would wish it to be effective on its field too. This is what I wish all frigates would to cruisers would have, as Battlecruisers sort of always have that feature by nature.


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Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#7 - 2013-03-16 21:33:18 UTC
Yeah I see your point now, even with.my minmatar frigate skill at 3 it is by no means a bad ship, but it's speed isn't enough to bring it up to par in my opinion

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Vayn Baxtor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-03-16 21:50:19 UTC
One thing is that the Breacher is MUCH BETTER now than its state years ago -- if not -- since release. So somewhere it actually already received a major boost. The problem now is that it doesn't really have much to define itself, although it is actually being used in packs nowadays (though I still think Kestrel packs will win the day).

It is hard to draw the lines on a ship that can already shoot light missiles out to some 40km without rigs. I agree too that speed is not that much of a deal when various other ships can easily catch up with it (or just shoot it down even at range).


Without going too deep with my ideas, this is why I also thought putting Breacher and several other similar ships into a "T1 Stealth Fighter" (not bomber) bracket, where they would be able to move around freely while cloaked with standard cloak - (meaning no stealth warp, only velocity bonus while cloaked to remove the speed penalty)
They would rely more on stealth-tackling and launching missiles - raising the need for destroyers and cruisers for the "anti-frigate job".

Anyhow.
I am not happy with how the Breacher is either as most fits somehow ask for an ASB.

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2013-03-16 22:00:37 UTC
Vayn Baxtor wrote:
One thing is that the Breacher is MUCH BETTER now than its state years ago -- if not -- since release. So somewhere it actually already received a major boost. The problem now is that it doesn't really have much to define itself, although it is actually being used in packs nowadays (though I still think Kestrel packs will win the day).

It is hard to draw the lines on a ship that can already shoot light missiles out to some 40km without rigs. I agree too that speed is not that much of a deal when various other ships can easily catch up with it (or just shoot it down even at range).


Without going too deep with my ideas, this is why I also thought putting Breacher and several other similar ships into a "T1 Stealth Fighter" (not bomber) bracket, where they would be able to move around freely while cloaked with standard cloak - (meaning no stealth warp, only velocity bonus while cloaked to remove the speed penalty)
They would rely more on stealth-tackling and launching missiles - raising the need for destroyers and cruisers for the "anti-frigate job".

Anyhow.
I am not happy with how the Breacher is either as most fits somehow ask for an ASB.


I've beaten shield dramiels with my rocket Breacher, i'm rather pleased with it.

Maybe it could use a tweak or two but mostly i think its people just not grasping how to effectively use range and speed in brawls.

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Vayn Baxtor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-03-17 01:42:45 UTC
Nice kills =). But I have doubts that the enemy pilot was really the best, especially for having more drones, extra turret dmg and speed. I think the best advantage you took of was them thinking a Breacher is an easy kill.

Dramiel has a lot of traits - I wish all frigates would have that, which is why I wish a general small upclassing on all current frigates.

It is not like you can't do anything with Breacher. As said, it stands much better there than years ago. But as I stated, there still should be something to define it more. It of course stands much better now than the current Rifter.

Practically all ships have feature that you can rely on. Some have hidden strengths. I know this well enough because pre-Tiericide, people underestimated the Vigil many times.

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