Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That would work great for Caldari and Minmatar, but Drone boat Dreads for Amarr and Gallente?

Silly ideas. EWAR is already nearly useless on unbonused hull and besides web, scram and TP, CPU cost is insane.

Can we cool it on the frigs already. I imagine this isn't all the changes but there are a lot more ships in order and if we keep doing summer sults on "already balanced ships" mad players will remain mad players. Maybe the whole "lets keep things a secret and surprise them" with t2 cruiser fixes isn't ideal. Tell us and people will stop complaining and come flocking back from ship spinning.

Rebalancing is never a done deal, and as someone from CCP has said the days of balance and forget are over (I can't find the exact words or who said it though).

I really really doubt you will be able to improve the rifter / punisher without a bonus change / new role.
One thing is to say "that the days of balance and forget are over", other thing is to make it real.
50 armor? 50 hull? You are fixing nothing with those, you are just throwing a bone, I'm not a fan of half-baked fixes.

Naglfar, I believe that those changes will improve it for sure (despite the laziness)

And since the metagame is always on the move and will never settle, I don't think you should mention it that much, it starts to sound like a excuse to not perform changes at a better pace. It's a valid reason, but still an excuse.

CCP fozzie, the gap between frigates and T II frigates became so small that you would only fly a TII if you really want to spend monney... In some cases like the gallente EAF the T1 version is still better for fleet (have 3 more drones).... so How is the Tecnetium rebalance going? Can we expect it soon? It has been almost a yer since CCP talked about it in the fanfest!

T2 frigates have not been rebalanced yet.
Why are you bringing up resource distribution issues in a ship balancing thread? Fozzie doesn't handle that.

Oh come on. TPs pfft. It's the TDs that are appearing on so many unbonused ships. TDs on 5 midslot Hookbills or other midslot blessed frigs are pretty common. Those midslot heavy frigs have plenty of cpu to fit them and they are very (too) effective at neutering turret boats.

TDs should get a nerf tbh, and then the ships specialized for TDs get a compensatory raise on their bonus. This will be even more necessary once the TC/TE/TD effects on missiles get implemented. Otherwise TDs will become the I-win button on any ship that has a larger number of mids, and those ships with only 2 or 3 mids may be SOL.

TD are not overpowered, not more than a shield extender in fact. If any, small missiles are OP, because they have almost no counters, but that's not a problem of TD. Any kiting ship taken at close range will blow up in a few seconds, no matter how many TD he have.

The problem people have with TD is the same than with ECM or EWAR in general : they need to specificaly fit against it if they want to kill a ship using it, and that mean being weaker against ships who don't do it.

I must somewhere agree too on TDs being a bit too effective. On the other hand, sometimes it is essential so that we tacklers don't instantly blow up the moment we come close without one. While not a mandatory module, it does have that effect of "must have or die", somewhat like how it is or was with ASB when it came out.



Personally, I wish we could see more a decent split between EWAR for general ships and real sophisticated ones for the specific ships. TP, while not a big thing, is actually a perfect example - at least before Drake nerf. It was not uncommon to see Drakes or any other missile boat fit one or if not two of them. Sure, unbonused, but you still get major benefit.

I'd rather see basic T1 EWAR for the general public of ships be much weaker (or if not, just removed) and have these special EWAR modules be for the specific ships.

It would go too far to generalize the EWAR modules into brackets, so I won't ramble on that one.

But say,
like Target Painter being a very special EWAR module that is alike Covert Ops Cloaking Device II, being only available for specific ships like Hyena, Vigil, Recons, Bellicose -- These ships having the TP Bonus and access to fitting these. Additionally, other "EWAR ships" of the respective empire factions shall be able to the TP likewise, but without the bonus (as they would ECM, TD or SensorDamp or whatever bonus instead of TP).

The point of that would be a much better line drawn between ship types in terms of tiericide and there would be an even higher need for players to use these ships in their fleets, rather than just having fleet doctrines put it all in their Battlecruiser zergs.

Bit off topic, as it does not help much the Frigs, but I think that would help as well as seeing more diversity in fleet fights rather than just another BC with painters.