Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Would you please try to be more specific if possible? The rifter is suffering from the comparison with the slasher, which already has less tank, and adding some tank wouldn't really help when the bar is set by the incursus and punisher...
Minnies simply have to go back to their ganky origins, and copy from the rupture the double damage to weapons for the rifter!! Some more alpha and you kill all the pesky drones quickly, then who needs tank ;-)

Going to requote one paragraph from the OP that is important, even while apologizing for the fact that it is necessarily vague at this time.

Ok - so somewhat happier about the Nag now .. but again, lets not get too excited. Overall, its shield doctrine that makes Minnie and Caldari suck somehwhat, but as a change its fine. Turret damage? Rev has damn good range and tracking, with no reloads. It doesnt need more damage imho. Blasters get the DPS but range is their issue at max damage, and the midpoint is Projectile with falloff.

Of course, I wasted skillpoints on Capital Missiles .. if only the changes came with a chance to shift them specifically to Cap Projectiles.

Moros does more damage, Revelation doesn't use ammo. Rev also has better base resists, so you can sacrifice a tank mod for a cap mod, leaving you with a ship that can exit siege, after shooting, at around jump cap (unlike the Moros). There is a good trade off between the two ships.

Incoming nerf to light missile range? It would make sense considering how overwhelmingly powerful Talwars are currently.

The Rifter isn't worse any anything else because of any metagame problems, it's worse than other frigates because it's statistically worse in pretty much every meaningful way. The fact that you aren't fixing the rifter in this change suggests you plan on doing it through "metagame changes" which is just not going to work. Unless you want to buff the Rifter's stats, aren't going to in this patch for some reason?

Why do you think the Breacher is bad? It has higher speed, competitive tank and only slightly worse DPS (that it can apply in full out to 10km) than other frigates in addition to full damage type selection.

The Punisher is already good, just not solo. If you give it a straight buff, it becomes overpowered in gangs. If you change the slot layout to give it 3 mids (the only thing making it a mediocre solo platform), then it becomes a Tormentor clone.

Well at least under certain circumstances the current Moros is a little bit too better than Rev:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=195124


Oh and you know the new Nag will be very useful, at killing Moros (Explosive hole) XD

Since you're addressing the "Strengths of the Missile Speed fits"...

I really don't think they're that overpowered. The major issue is that people have to be ready to counter them. They're great guerrilla fleets, and they're very risky and very squishy in the long run.

We've lost a lot of Kessies in the last week running Kessie Kite fleets, but at the same time killed a lot in the face of overwhelming numbers. Does that seem unfair?

Well.. no. One time there was a sniper Cormorant hitting at 70-100 that was giving us a REALLY bad time in actually hurting his buddies. The fight was, no joke, 25 v 3. We killed a Griffin and a slasher because they were separating themselves and getting arrogant, and we lost a kestrel. We kept getting forced off the field when they were in a pack because they had an actual COUNTER ready - the Cormorant. And that's what made it a fun engagement. We realized we needed to make some modifications to counter the counter, and even then still had to be aware of other problems.

The issue isn't the missile kites, it's that people have to be more adaptive to counters. This is forcing the exact thing we want to see in fleets, more diversity. Bring anti-frigate ships, bring anti-snipe ships, bring anti-xyz ships.

You want to be ready? Then commit resources to being ready for the counter on the field. Otherwise, sit in the back of the pack with the amateurs.

Didn't the art department just crank out 4 brand-spanking new ships?
Didn't a fellow from the art department just do a Q&A and said they could easily do it?

I was under the impression the act of modifying a model to have another hardpoint was something that was along the lines of "old ccp" thinking.

This is a constructive question, in that in my limited knowledge of modeling and others' more advanced knowledge, that adding a hardpoint shouldn't be too difficult.

In fact, I believe a hardpoint on a ship was just recently modified. I'll take a minute to look up which ship that was.


From the latest patch notes::

One some ships its a lot easier than others. On the Ferox they were able to do it without too much trouble for Retri 1.1. For the Nag we evaluated the cost-benefit of changing the model vs adding the role bonus and decided the role bonus was the better stewardship of the time we have available.

It comes down to the fact that if we make the most efficient use of the time we have available we can make the best product possible for you all.

Edit: (and the Enyo as well)