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Maelstrom help

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Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#1 - 2013-03-06 12:36:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Egravant Alduin
Hi guys,
After a lot of mining so i can get my first battleship, after using typhoon fleet issue and was disappointed I bought maelstrom as all of you people suggested.I read that this ship is built for active tanking.I'm doing terrible in making it good since my capacitor runs out very very fast .Should I buy large capacitor control circuit or something else?The thing is to use or not to use microwarpdrives for pve and maybe later for pvp.Any help or advice should be appreciated so I can enjoy this ship.

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!

sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-03-06 12:40:41 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Hi guys,
After a lot of mining so i can get my first battleship, after using typhoon fleet issue and was disappointed I bought maelstrom as all of you people suggested.I read that this ship is built for active tanking.I'm doing terrible in making it good since my capacitor runs out very very fast .Should I buy large capacitor control circuit or something else?The thing is to use or not to use microwarpdrives for pve and maybe later for pvp.Any help or advice should be appreciated so I can enjoy this ship.

Fit cap booster.
Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#3 - 2013-03-06 12:42:14 UTC
Cap boosters are the ones that use ammo correct?the thing is that they are too expensive for me right now and might not make profits from missions.

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!

Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-03-06 12:48:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Cap boosters are the ones that use ammo correct?the thing is that they are too expensive for me right now and might not make profits from missions.


hm... unless You're running L4 missions I'd suggest You use a battlecruiser (for L3 missions) or even a normal cruiser for everything below L3.

If You actually run L4 missions, the standard cap charges are cheap enough, they won't kill Your wallet.

Other than that, watch Your mission triggers, You'll need far less tank if You don't aggro the whole pocket at once (once You use the Golem it won't matter tho).

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#5 - 2013-03-06 12:48:54 UTC
You should only pulse your shield booster, and use an X-L one. If your cap skills and shield compensation isn't very high train them up for more cap recharge/less cap per cycle. I used to run with an AB on my Maelstrom because battleships are so slow, but if you want to get a MWD you will get a cap penalty unless you buy the best deadspace versions which cost a bit. I ran with 3 CCC's on my Mael, but that was only because I was lazy and permaran a Republic Fleet Afterburner (less cap use & more speed than T2). I never ran with a cap booster as I cba to refill my stocks, and I'd rather fit an AB.

You will definately earn back the cap boosters you spend isk on, and there will be some as loot in some wrecks as well. I assume you are running level 4 missions in it? Running 1-3 in battleships is rather subpar and would be better accomplished in smaller ships.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#6 - 2013-03-06 12:55:03 UTC
Dont forget cap booster allows you to fit more gank which allows you to kill stuff faster which means you'll need to tank less for a shorter time :)
Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#7 - 2013-03-06 13:27:19 UTC
Yes I 'll start runing lelvel 4 missions since i got bored flying my cane in level 3 missions(no competition and they didn;t damage me more than 1/3 of shields.

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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#8 - 2013-03-06 13:33:22 UTC
Last time I set-up a new mission station (setting up close to the Alliance I was in at the time's hub) I set up a buy order in the appropriate station while I was assembling ships, ammo and so forth.
The order was for (IIRC) four thousand Cap Booster 800s and I certainly wasn't offering a brilliant price - it was a while ago so I can't say for certain but I think I was bidding around 2k/unit, eight million ISK for the complete order.
Eight million shouldn't break the bank if you're flying a Mael', and even on the worst missions (L4s at least), with fairly poor negotiation skills shouldn't take more than a day or so to cover - and you won't get through 4k charges in a day.

The order was approximately 95% filled by the time I launched my first mission for the agent a couple of days later and I've probably still got over 3k in that station.

Considering how many rounds of EMP, Phased Plasma and Fusion L I got through during my stay there I would suggest that the boosters were one of my lowest expenses Blink
Getsafe Aisak
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-03-06 13:49:25 UTC
There's no reason to waste ISK on cap boosters.

[Maelstrom, PVE]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Shield Boost Amplifier II
Pith A-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Explosive Deflection Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-03-06 14:04:58 UTC
Getsafe Aisak wrote:
There's no reason to waste ISK on cap boosters.

[Maelstrom, PVE]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Shield Boost Amplifier II
Pith A-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Explosive Deflection Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


That's probably closer to an "endgame" fit - but stepping down the shield booster, the AB, and the gyros to T2 (or maybe a M4 shield booster in case of fitting issues) should hopefully give the OP something to start with, upgrading the booster and gyros to faction as he/she earns the ISK to invest.

(The Dread Guristas booster is a nice first faction mod; performance equal to the Caldari Navy XLSB, at a relative sixty-percent discount.)

The Maelstrom's not designed to go fast, really; the prop mod (AB or MWD) should be thought of as something to fit on a situational basis, only when you know you've got long subwarp travel stretches ahead of you, much like the hardeners should be swapped depending on the mission. If you're willing to sacrifice speed, you can easily field a setup that will tank over a thousand DPS in bursts, which should be long enough for you to clear some DPS off the field and let your cap recover.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt

Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#11 - 2013-03-06 14:53:28 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Hi guys,
After a lot of mining so i can get my first battleship, after using typhoon fleet issue and was disappointed I bought maelstrom as all of you people suggested.I read that this ship is built for active tanking.I'm doing terrible in making it good since my capacitor runs out very very fast .Should I buy large capacitor control circuit or something else?The thing is to use or not to use microwarpdrives for pve and maybe later for pvp.Any help or advice should be appreciated so I can enjoy this ship.
Only pulse the booster on/off when you 're getting hurt. Running it flat out will drain your cap in no time, as you've found. You can use CCC rigs as a crutch if your other skills are low. Lose the MWD. It's blooming your sig radius, making you easier to hit, and it's taking a chunk out of your capacitor in order to fit. Which is also why you're running dry so fast. Fit an AB if you know there's gates to slow boat to, but drop the MWD and embrace the fact that you're flying a bathtub.
Orlacc
#12 - 2013-03-06 15:21:48 UTC
Mael needs cap booster to function well.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-03-06 15:44:05 UTC
Getsafe Aisak wrote:
There's no reason to waste ISK on cap boosters.

[Maelstrom, PVE]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Shield Boost Amplifier II
Pith A-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Explosive Deflection Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I



Buy A Golem and use T2 equipment.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

Getsafe Aisak
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-03-06 16:00:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Getsafe Aisak
Debora Tsung wrote:
Getsafe Aisak wrote:
There's no reason to waste ISK on cap boosters.

[Maelstrom, PVE]



Buy A Golem and use T2 equipment.


I don't consider the amount of pimpage that excessive or misplaced, if that's what you are referring to. T2 should work OK, of course.

Edit:

Orlacc wrote:
Mael needs cap booster to function well.


This is not true. (moar edit: but feel free to inject your Maelstrom if that works for you Blink)
Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#15 - 2013-03-06 16:41:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Egravant Alduin
Ok guys according to your answers and some searching i did this is the fit.

Maelstorm Pve
3 x gyrostabillizer II
2 x tracking enhancer

Shield boost amlifier 1 (not skillet yet for tech 2)
Adaptive invulnerability field II x 2
X-large C5-L emergency shield overload i
100mn afterburner
Cap booster (probably)

1200mm scout artillery x 8(I read high volley can kill instantly than higher dps)

Large semiconductor Memory cell I x 3

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!

Orlacc
#16 - 2013-03-06 17:02:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Orlacc
Don't forget drones.....lights for those frigs that get through.


I used a fit similar to the above with great success. Eventually though I went to T2 ACs.

Oh and if you use the Cap Boosters than don't use CCC rigs. Fit some damage or shield rigs.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Degnar Oskold
Moira.
#17 - 2013-03-06 18:33:38 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Ok guys according to your answers and some searching i did this is the fit.

Maelstorm Pve
3 x gyrostabillizer II
2 x tracking enhancer

Shield boost amlifier 1 (not skillet yet for tech 2)
Adaptive invulnerability field II x 2
X-large C5-L emergency shield overload i
100mn afterburner
Cap booster (probably)

1200mm scout artillery x 8(I read high volley can kill instantly than higher dps)

Large semiconductor Memory cell I x 3


Not bad, but the Adaptive Invulnerability fields use more cap than the resist specific shield hardeners. I fit hardeners specific to the mission on my missioning alt's Maelstrom
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-03-06 18:56:29 UTC
I will never understand why anyone uses artillery in missions.

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.

Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#19 - 2013-03-06 19:18:34 UTC
Degnar Oskold wrote:
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Ok guys according to your answers and some searching i did this is the fit.

Maelstorm Pve
3 x gyrostabillizer II
2 x tracking enhancer

Shield boost amlifier 1 (not skillet yet for tech 2)
Adaptive invulnerability field II x 2
X-large C5-L emergency shield overload i
100mn afterburner
Cap booster (probably)

1200mm scout artillery x 8(I read high volley can kill instantly than higher dps)

Large semiconductor Memory cell I x 3


Not bad, but the Adaptive Invulnerability fields use more cap than the resist specific shield hardeners. I fit hardeners specific to the mission on my missioning alt's Maelstrom


you mean resist like kinetic / em etc?

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!

Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#20 - 2013-03-06 19:19:22 UTC
Kusum Fawn wrote:
I will never understand why anyone uses artillery in missions.



Artillery are fun in missions .They are like bam bam down.bam bam down ship.

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!

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