Skill Discussions

To take all 6 of the core certs to standard takes a brand new character (with no skill remaps or implants) less than 2 months (54 days, 5 hours to be precise).

What goal do you have that requires 1-2 years to get started on?

I've been playing roughly 10 months (you can check my employment history if you want), I can fly battlecruisers, cruisers, destroyers and T2 frigates, I can go on lowsec roams, I can do highsec and lowsec exploration if I want, I can make just about anything except T3 cruisers and supercapitals and I have a lot of fun doing all of those things. In a year I'll be better at all of them for sure and probably be doing other things too, but I can do them all now and I've been doing most of them for the last 6 months.

The problem, IMHO isn't needing 2 or more years of skills, it's people who think they need 2 of more years worth of skills to have fun.

Am I speaking the wrong language?
This is a serious discussion sidetracked by trolls.

So all I am asking is what is being done about this huge problem EVE faces?

Who can I talk to about this to make it apparent?

This game is truly great but how does any new player have a chance at experiencing that greatness?

Will Hefty prevail in finding the answers on the broken internet!?

You didn't answer any of the questions but getting core skills to "standard" core skills as in all the skills needed to fly a ship not core on the cert tab takes longer than 2 years.

Yes you can fly all of those and you are approaching the year mark. The worst is behind you.

That seems risky, better wait to up that Acceleration Control skill. It can make the difference.

No, it isn't. It never was. You never made a case and you're just trying to yell louder rather than have an honest conversation based in reality.



What problem? You've described a situation based on personal anecdote and made-up statistics and decided you have a universal, problematic situation. Make a better case for there being a problem and maybe someone will help you figure it out.

Who can I talk to about this to make it apparent?

Not yourself, which is what this thread has been so far. Try engaging with your critics rather than yelling over their heads.



By, I don't know, playing it? Same as we all did.

When I started six years ago I thought I'd never catch up and be able to fly T2 ships like all those nasty pirates out to get me in low sec. But it turns out, there are only five levels of each skill and once you have them, you're maxed out. And I caught up. And so can anyone else.



Maybe it's not the internet that's broken?

Like Zhilia has explained i am not sure that this is a problem in the first place. You can have fun after a couple of weeks and be effective in fleet, lire really useful, after roughly one month.




There is a Features&Ideas discussion on this forum, if you have a specific suggestion in mind go ahead and post there. Apart from that i am not really sure what you are expecting... you are not a game designer, you don't have access to the same data CCP has so you are, like me, totally incompetent to even say that this is "a huge problem".



I think the best course of action for a new player is to join a group of player that will take him on fleets and teach him how to play the game. Eve university is probably a great corporation, several alliances in nullsec are also willing to take newbies and teach them.

I am not a game designer?
Hehehe that's exactly what I am.
If you knew who I really was you'd actually help.

What ship? All the skills needed and recommended to fly a frigate to V will not take 2 years. All the skills to fly every single ship in the game, yeah that'll take a while. That's a long term goal that you can work on in time, it's not something you need to do to play.

Let's see...
Caldari frigate Merlin, all required skills and recommended certificates total at under 5 days.
Minmatar destroyer Thrasher, all required skills and recommended certificates total at just over 6 days
Gallente cruiser Thorax all required skills and recommended certificates total at a little over 10 days
Amarr battlecruiser Prophecy, all required skills and recommended certificates total at 75 days. Getting large, but haven't hit 6 months yet.
Caldari battleship Raven, all required skills and recommended certificates total at about 80 days, though you probably want more skills than that to fly a battleship

Again, what is your goal that you need to wait 1-2 years to *start*? You're avoiding that question.



The worst? Light at the end of the tunnel? What tunnel? I've had fun the whole way through that year.

So I can't fly a battleship perfectly yet, point is, I don't need to, there's nothing that compels me to fly a battleship, nothing where it's 'fly a battleship or log off' (and to be honest I prefer smaller ships at the moment)

What you and probably your friends seem to be missing is that there's no skill requirement for fun. You can play and have fun from the first minute, as long as you don't get stuck in the mentality of 'I have to have 50 million skill points to undock'

No.
Hefty TheFirst]So all I am asking is what is being done about this huge problem EVE faces?
What you're talking about is not a huge problem.


This is the place to talk about it.


By playing the game.

In school, I made a friend that was into gaming, much like myself.
And there was a game that he could literally speak about for hours. EvE Online. He spoke of giant ships, epic battles, modules and heists. He was so enthusiastic and there was just a glow of passion in his eyes whenever he spoke of it.
I had never even heard of this crazy space-game before, so I decided to try it out.

I bought it on my third day of trial.

Within the first month I had decided what I was going to do to fund my playing, and decided a semi-long term goal, that I reached after about 8 months of play and a long term one, that I've still to reach. But oh, the satisfaction of setting a goal, work hard for it, and reach it. It was something I had never felt in a game ever before.
Can't wait for the day that I'm going to reach my second goal (I'm about a fifteen months away)..

It'll be magnificent.



THIS is was maturity is.

WORKING for what you want.
Having PATIENCE and realizing that there are LOADS and LOADS of fun things to do, while you wait for that long-term goal.
The very fact that glorious things take a long time to accomplish means they'll be so much more rewarding!
If CCP were to dumb it down to the level you want it, then those glorious things would mean nothing! It'd not be glorious!

It'd be boring!

It is NOT a huge problem that newbs are newbs when they are new to EvE Online.
If they find something they want to do, and are willing to work for it, there is no problem!
There is only a problem if they find something want to do, but can't be arsed to work for it!
THAT is the problem. NOT the game!
This answers the second and fourth question quoted in this post.

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Peter_Pacis

This pilot (the one you bought) may be two years old but he has only one year of training, i bought myself a much better pilot for a lot less isk. Also wanting to fly both Tengu and a faction BS with only 20mil SP (Mach requires cross training btw) is really ********.