Skill Discussions

Hi,

So I have come to like more "mature" MMOS and eve struck me as one of the best.
I started playing 2 months ago and just lost all the friends I brought into eve.

This game is simply way too punishing for new players. Just to be slightly effective it takes about 1.5 years of training.
Then you have some of the basics and can still not do anything special.
My first month of eve was great... But it was all just theoretical fun. All I did was plan stuff and study about the game and it's mechanics. So I brought 4 of my friends in which all payed for 1 month + trial. They loved the first month of eve and into the seconds month they all saw just how truly pathetic they were in terms of SP. Everything they wanted to do was years of training away. I was going to quit as well until I heard of the character bazaar. So I dropped a huge load of $ to buy a pilot that could actually play the game.

I am sure the long SP training ques are CCP's way of "milking" $ out of us.
Which proves a point to me. Every one that I have spoken to that plays eve has at least 1-4 alts.
So that in itself proves how low the game population actually is.
Now this isn't a troll or whining thread.
If CCP truly wanted to make more $ something needs to be done about SP.
The longer the game progresses the more useless new players become.
Could you imagine starting to play WOW right now and have to grind through all of those expansions just to start playing the game at 90... Then the game only starts right?

So this is as constructive as a new player can get.
I am not mad in any way. I actually want to help eve grow, that's the whole reason of this thread.
I want to know if anything is being done about the huge SP brick wall.
From what I am seeing the summer change is making it even harder for new players.
Battle cruisers were a huge win for new players as it didn't take too long to fly them and now it's even taking that small win away from new players.

So all I am asking is what is being done about this huge problem EVE faces?
Who can I talk to about this to make it apparent?
This game is truly great but how does any new player have a chance at experiencing that greatness?
I truly want to see this game grow so help me talk to the right people.
If I could talk to the right people I could really guarantee new players sticking around instead of getting discouraged and quitting.

Regards: Hefty

It is a great aspect you are right there.
But it has been grocely expanded.

Out of 5 people in my experience 4 quit.
That's a really bad number. I love this game but few people are going to drop big $ to buy a pilot in the bazaar.

This has to be the biggest issue in the game right now.
If dealt with the game could MASSIVELY expand... Once more if you misread MASSIVELY expand.

Really?

Lets analyze what you just said.

Friends mean everything.
All of mine quit.

Skill points mean nothing.
The reason why my friends quit.

Knowledge means everything.

I have knowledge of things I want to do.
How far away am I to do them? 1-2 years away.
Wait that long? Never...

Please this is a "mature" discussion.
EDIT: No personal attacks, please - ISD Tyrozan

This isn't even remotely true.

All these likes, good lord.

To get the core skills to an OK-ish level takes about 1.5 years.
That's like STANDARD level certs.

Also "subs are at an all time high".
You mean everyone has like 1-5 alts.
Speak to some miners and find out how many alts they have...

I would estimate 30-50% of subs are unique players.
Also the whole reason why people have alts is to train different skill paths.
This is the only game I have ever come across that people have this many alts.
I mean CCP promotes it. "start your sidekick".

Also you aren't getting the jest of this post.
I only had three real questions in my post. You answered non of them.
I just assume you are really young and can't understand or fathom discussions.
Thanx for the free bump though :D

The first thing I'd have to ask is simply...

What goals are you looking at which require 1-2 years of training?

In terms of straightforward goals the only ones I can think of in that range would be the high-end of capital ships - I might suggest these to be end-game content (though end-game is a little bit of a flexible term). You don't want the end-game content immediately, it would be boring.

The journey is important, quiting because you can't get a Titan on day 2 misses the point of that.

SP is a visible measure of what you're capable of, of course, but it's a deceptive one. A pilot with half a million of the right SP and the knowledge and resources to leverage it properly is far better off than one with 100 million of the wrong SP, the wrong ship, the wrong situation...

And there is no lower limit on the number of SP it takes to have fun - I know several pilots who were pirating lowsec, ratting null or engaging in fleet battles with less than a million SPs, in some cases created specifically to minimise their clone costs...

I am somewhat impressed that you were able to answer some of the questions.

1-2 years of training would put you into a capital ship yes. Core skills? NO.
Now go ask some one that has a capital ship. They will say it's suicide.

Now I can see your angle but I nowhere near stated that I'm butthurt because I can't fly a Titan.
Half a million vs 100m that was funny... Really funny. There you are talking about some who knows the game in and out.
Probably an alt flying with the 500k SP. So the main account is the real player not the 500k SP.

Also this post is for NEW PLAYERS AND WHY MOST OF THEM QUIT SO EARLY.
Pirating in lowsec to minimise clone cost with low SP. That isn't even a sentence.
If you can't afford your clone cost you are doing something very wrong with all that "A pilot with half a million of the right SP and the knowledge and resources to leverage it properly is far better off than one with 100 million of the wrong SP, the wrong ship, the wrong situation...".

You look incredibly stupid right now.
I don't even really want to post this reply but you asked for it.

Hey ! How about you try to not sound like a child when you reply ? kk thx.

Oh look someone mad on the internet.

Am I speaking the wrong language?
This is a serious discussion sidetracked by trolls.

So all I am asking is what is being done about this huge problem EVE faces?
Who can I talk to about this to make it apparent?
This game is truly great but how does any new player have a chance at experiencing that greatness?

Three simple questions.
Zero answers... Will Hefty prevail in finding the answers on the broken internet!?
Find out on the next post. /commence epic outro!