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Don't have time to read the whole thread but will post this idea in case no one else has.

I know the winter release was originally going to redo the narcotics/contraband system and I'd hate to see that abandoned just because Incarna's being selved. So...

* Expand the contraband lists to reflect the laws of the various empires (even if this means making new items for contraband). Give faction warriors the ability to legally destroy ships with contraband in their empire. Have new high sec smuggling agents that give missions to haul contraband behind the lines of opposing empires. Maybe even have gates alert faction warriors when contraband passes through. Would make for an awesome game of cat and mouse!

I agree, but FW is not nullsec. The area is smaller and has quite different mechanics (gate guns, no bubbles or bombs etc). I don't think that aspect of nullsec sov, i.e. docking rights, would be good for the game. FW combat is easier on those who play casually, and should remain so, or at least I think so.

TL;DR, TBH I've only ever docked up in WT space on very few occaions and the chance of this happening isn't that bad for me personally, but I'm worried that people will start getting even more risk shy than they currently are and that FW numbers will drop.

What do you mean by "hostile space"?

again:

This thread is getting ambiguous.

1) you have the 4 actual fw corps 24th imperial crusade etc.
2) You have the corps that are members of a faction like boundless creation is a member of the minmatar faction.
3) You have stations in an area that is in a system occupied by one faction or another.

Ill add

4) You have space owned by your ally and the enemy of your ally apply these questions to Minmatar v Caldari and Amarr v Gallente.

What are we talking about because the effect it will have will be different.

1st of all, it's not about all highsec NPCs, just the navies. Secondly I'd love to see this change happen, as I think it has wonderful potential as I've stated many times as well. There are others who also have clearly come out in favor of this and I think the numbers for and against aren't far apart but roughly balanced. It would require a much more detailed proposal to actually form a definitive opinion on this.


About the whole docking-at-enemy-stations mechanic currently being discussed: It seems only logical to limit docking rights in stations belonging to the opposing militia (directly) or their allied militia. Not the entire opposing faction, if anything that might be somehow controlled by standings IF (and only if) they ever get an overhaul. Also denying docking right can of course be reduced to denying specific services. It could also mean denying docking rights only if there is an aggression timer on you against the specific corp you're trying to dock with (the 15 min timer obviously, not the 1 minute one)...

Yes, I realized it wasn't all NPCs, I just didn't make that clear enough

I can see why the navies being gone could be attractive... however (my humble opinion) from both a RP standpoint and a 'home turf advantage' for your last place to seek refuge I think they should stay. Without them why keep the fight to low sec? (outside of system occupation which i'm sure ccp will give us ~soon~ *hopefully skeptical*) We'd just have ppl camping Amarr/Rens. Also, if the navies go.... do we regain the ability to cloak in enemy empire high sec???

Really, I could swing either way, but I think we could probably both agree that it's at the bottom of the list for issues in FW that need addressing.


As for the docking penalties.... I see potential for a 'feature' in system occupation. I still think you should have access to non-FW-enemy-militia stations... but what if in captured systems/enemy controlled systems it held the 15minute timer? I dunno, this is also at the ass bottom of my list for stuff to do.

Good stuff to toss around though.

A coworker and I kicked around a couple ideas on what game changes could be made to keep moms and titans out of low sec and this was the "simplest" way we could think of with out going thru and manual changing all FW systems.

Super caps out of low

check out my recent post

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=26770&find=unread

Saw this accidentally... Long time since left FW... It was nice. I liked it :) So I would like to give my 5 cents :)

I was too lazy to read all this stuff so sorry if I will double somebody else:

1. Make occupancy matter
1a. Logistical way - only occupying militia members should be able dock in station in system.
1b. Financial way - ermmm... have no idea :) think something :)

2. FW missions must removed - they does not contribute to war any way, form or shape. They are just PVE isk printer.

3. Multiply LP for killing enemy militia members.
Currently for titan there is 14000 LP. So if You will manage somehow to kill Titan SOLO then You get less that 10% of Faction BS ?!?! Seriously?!?
Very minimal minimum for killing titan is to give that militia member multiple BS, so it should be no less than 2, that means 300'000 LP for kiling titan is absolute minimum (it fact it should be more).
That goes for other ships as well (and then there will be no need for those stupid FW missions).

3b. Also it could be good give LP for killing outlaws in FW systems (lets say half LP that is given for killing same ship of enemy militia member).

4. There was proposition to stop faction navies from attacking opposing militia members in high sec. Well... nice idea! Yes it might be scary to somebody since there will be no safe place anymore, BUT if opposing militia member will be denied docking in enemy territory then militia members will have advantage in their own territory, but enemies will have to be careful and will not be able constantly live in enemy space, they will have to do raids into it and then go home and they will do gods blessed work of removal high sec mission runners from militia.

5. Some voting system to remove known spies would be good as well (it is very annoying when they follow fleets).

6. As I remember there is floating around idea assign to players custom duty so they can scan and kill smugglers that transport illegal goods. I guess militia has all rights to do that task on behalf of empires ;)

P.S.
Also one thing I would like to ask devs - couple years ago when that "distinguished blade" medal was issued, there was many people who where wronged. It would be nice if would You fix that now.
Matter of problem was such - after caldari took occupation of all gallente systems, some people left to other FW front/null sec/ whatever. And when after significant pause CCP issued that medal it was given only to those who was in militia about week before and after fall of last system so all those who was fighting for many months and left after couple days when job was done did not got that medal (but as it is well know many gallente spy alts got it, that was ridiculous). Could You please fix that and gave it to those who deserved it but did not got it, after all it is only NPC medal at moment so it is nice thing to have especially if You honestly earned it.

Frankly, this is a horrible idea. We already have FW players camping trade hubs of opposing factions, ganking mission runners and the like.
I don't even think that's necessarily bad - there's an added challenge to it, and an element of surprise to those FW players who think they can just go around in high-sec unpunished.

But why remove focus from the warzones, over which the Factions should be fighting? Is camping Rens / Amarr Prime with BS blobs really more entertaining or a gamestyle that needs to be encouraged? We've got plenty of station hugging with faction BSes and neutral RR already. Faction Warfare doesn't need to be yet another iteration of that. It's ********.

Precisely what he said.

Anyhow, we have tons of systems in FW low sec that is barely used because there is little point into going to them. If plexing was made worthwhile, then that'd force more pvp all over the war zone.

I think the key to fixing FW is to fix the plexing aspect of it. Make plexing matter, give a good reward for doing it, balance the NPCs in the plexes, and make it so that there are plexes that only tech 1 ships can go in, and for god's sakes have the plexes spawn throughout the day instead of mostly just downtime, then FW will be heaps better.

Fixing the plexing mechanics will benefit everyone, the rpers, the plexers, the pvpers, and the carebears.