Missions & Complexes

Let me explain something, When a self proclaimed PVPer decides to hunt and kill other players, who are not only flying ships not fit for PVP, but already in combat with a group of NPC, this while a form of PVP is in every sense of the word, Ganking. While I can agree that at times this can be a lot of fun to do. And has it's place in every MMO. But it is not what I would call real PVP. If it is the only way you can get kills, it demonstrates you lack of PVP skills, and in no way makes you a good or even competent PVPer. To then come on the forums and complain that you need the developers to change PVE mechanics because ganking carebears is to hard, well that is just sad.

I understand that the current NPC A.I. where NPC's attack you when you pop into a carebears mission site or in this case a null bears ratting PLEX. It is not like the entire room switches agro, you are both taking NPCdamage. That seems fair to me. What I do not understand is why this is a problem. You are ganking a ship set up for PVE that most likely already has taken damage, if you time it right. The odds are stacked in your favor, why should it be changed to put the PVE'er at even more of a disadvantage. This is ganking not PVP.

What I would call real PVP is random open world encounters when both sides are looking for a fight. Real PVP is very rarely a fair fight. A 1vs1 in even matched ships is more dueling then true PVP. True PVP takes a lot of skill, while ganking is just a matter of timing, and finding targets you can not lose against. Someone who claims to be a PVPer but can not even pull off a gank, well that is just pathetic.

Many multiple threads on this now...still nothing back from CCP.

Can one man make a difference in a sandbox?
If not can a few?
How much louder do we need to shout before CCP hears us?

Is their marketing compaign then just total bollox?

"How is that different from carebears wanting some level of protection from PVP, and why is one argument more deserving than the other"?

Ermmm, because its a snadbox game. You shouldnt have protection from possible PVP.
That already exists in highsec.

Im not suggesting protection. Im asking for AI that is intelligent.

"So in turn nobody deserves protection from NPC's either, after all it's a sandbox. :) "

Currently the PVE'r has the protection when you land on grid.

So yes, I agree with your statement, no one should have full protection.
If they want to make it completely random then thats fine.
It shouldnt be the last person that lands on grid for a minute and then switch back or to alternative target.

Does that make sense?

No you are wrong in your assumption. clearly you are not able to read my post.

I don't want help, just intelligent AI or a fix that doesnt break this part of the game I and others enjoy.
Go back and read the post..at least before posting.

I get why it's annoying, and almost impossible to acomplish using old techniques.

I have always thought PVP in this manner was empty and without reward, there is no victory beating lame dogs, PVP should be a test of skills and thier application, it should have risks on both sides and have margins for winning decided durring the fight not because the fight was onesided from the start.

I hope that this new AI helps you to find fights that actually test your skills, not simply allow you to take advantage of someones elses lack of tactical knowleged and bad timing.

(Seems my original post didn't copy paste correctly so I corrected it)

I'm fully capable of reading your inane post.

Your entire point was that you're getting your knickers all wadded up because when you attempt to get a cheap kill in on someone who is in the process of killing rats (in a PVE ship), the rats target you also. This is ruining your version of "fun". The simply solution is to not jump into a swarm of red crosses hoping to get a cheap kill. You want CCP to cater to your specific style of game play by not letting rats target you. I get it.

as stated many and many times most people actually think that ganging pve ships is pvp , when it has nothing to do with it.

Funny to see tears apearing on the forums ( still believe those people that do it are far from pvp' ers )

OP is probably one of the Stealth bomber pilots my alts been killing in her ishtar a lot, no tank all gank and wonder why they lose, seriously use a appropriate ship for the job, the WH guys have been doing it for years and they LOVE they pvp they get

HTFU and adapt like everyone has to, ya dont see anyone crying that the blops changes are bad, making ratters vulnerable, you can throw your "RP" about as much as you like but to the NPC you are a hostile ship on grid, perhaps in league with the guy hes already shooting, in a smaller squishier ship! OF COURSE he should gank you

I am not siding with the OP by a long shot, but do take note that NPCs will primary a player ship using electronic warfare. That means once you switch that warp scrambler on, you are now primary for the whole room. If the OP wants the NPC target switching to be fair, then he needs to be complaining about the NPC reaction when a player uses a electronic warfare module.

Just to clear it up, Electronic Warfare includes warp disupters, warp scramblers, stasis webs, ecm, damps, etc. Basically anything that requires the Electronic Warfare skill to use.