Live Events Discussion

Glad you enjoyed.

I'm one of those unhappy about the god modding. I'm neither simple nor a hater.

Listen, I completely understand what's trying to be done with these events, but a major point is being missed and it's starting to get frustrating.

I'll put it as succinctly as possible:

New Eden is a spectacular world full of amazing stories being told every hour. Trying to act out chapters in some unpublished novel when it is STUPENDOUSLY OBVIOUS that these pre-written stories don't fit into the reality of what New Eden actually is, is insulting.

These Minmatar processions were advertised, in-character, for days prior to the event. The result, in the actual New Eden that we all exist in (rather than the fantasy one some people seem to want in order to write really, really bad novels) was to have a large number of capsuleers show up to kill everyone.

That's what happened. Everyone died. Suicide bombers ruined the parade.

Is that a bad thing? Maybe, maybe not. But that's the New Eden we live in. So please, please, either accept the world as it actually is, or change it. But this garbage of plugging your ears and playing pretend that everything went exactly as your imagination had envisioned really, really sucks.

A quick after report of the event from the perspective of Fcord wing 1:

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edited cause i didn't see the other thread and i feel the discussion is best kept there.

For myself, I am at a tossup as to whether or not the event was successful.

God mode shield? I don't see a huge problem with that. There had to be some sort of gank potential in my opinion, but at the same time, I bring up an issue I bought for the original formation of this section of forum. The thought that an elite few can completely run in one direction. In this instance, a prevention to "gank" attack was necessary since there is really no defence against it. Had their not been the shields, it was a 100% chance in my mind it would have been a gank.

There was a better option than some mega shield however. In terms of lore, concord providing a safety to them is one theoretical option since the tribal does have sway with concord is that the shield in itself is only interperative. In actuality, the shields are designed in co-ordination with concord to provide defence for them. Same thing they have on their swat ships. Best thing would have been capitals, then cyno at each gate.

Obviously, this story is hopefully set up to promote more in depth story, but signs or lead in to such made it rather anticlimactic.

It would have been preferable for the gank to have been permitted to succeed as it should, and then have it revealed that the delegate was really in another ship entirely. The TTI being just for show, which it was after all.

If a gank from a null alliance like the Goons was a concern from the beginning, than alternate plans would have been conceived. Stop pretending that New Eden is a different place than it is because you want the story to go a certain way.

In short, be more creative and try respecting the way things are, rather than pretending things are otherwise just for convenience.

I will fight to my dying breath to prevent a bait-and-switch Body Double Shocking Swerve. It's terrible writing and cheapens the story far more, in my opinion, than introducing a Plot Shield for some NPCs to allow them to live. That said, I'm pretty firmly against doing either of them from this point forward, but if the options are one or the other, Plot Shield will win for me every day of the week.

So no doppelgangers, evil twins, it was all a dreams, or Alternate Universes...

... but applied phlebotinum is okay ;) *(honestly you couldn't have eve without it)

Check.

"Everyone's a Capsuleer". Making every NPC a Capsuleer cheapens the story. The Player is the Capsuleer, and has something special about them because of the fact. I'd be quite disappointed if every NPC we encountered was a Capsuleer, and I'm not alone in the sentiment.

"Applied Phlebotinum" and "Doppelgangers". One of these concepts are found in the relatively neutral playground in which our characters live, another is an actively used storytelling construct. Equally; one of these concepts serves to create more diverse and interesting stories; another one forces the storyteller to down then same boring path, every time. I invite you to discern which is which.

Get over it. This was already addressed, multiple times. The devs are not planning to use literal plot armor again, and will instead be creating contingency plans for if an important NPC is targeted by a gank. CCP Falcon has already agreed with you, you can let it rest now.

Shooting wrecks is bad.

Frankly, I find that explanation far more in line with the EVE lore as it already exists. We already know that there are immense limits on player (capsuleer) abilities, although they may be so subtle at times as that we don't necessarily notice them.

For instance, despite our easy access to advanced scan probes that can lock down a frigate's location in a matter of minutes, we cannot use them to simply scan out the stargate networks that support most non-capsuleer traffic. I imagine a truly determined capsuleer could circumvent this by financing the deployment of a vessel equipped with more traditional scanning equipment, or even by simply financing a nominally unconnected baseliner vessel to go out and map them -

But the point remains that CONCORD, the Big 4, or whoever have decided that we as capsuleers using capsuleer equipment are not to be allowed to easily detect those "baseliner traffic" stargates.